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You don't need "virtue", "honour", and "duty" to have NOT have voted the way people did. It is plain to see which chosen leader will torch the nation and which will not, regardless of people's distaste for the establishment politicians.

It is worse than self interest. It is brazen ignorance.

by MyHonestOpinon26 days ago|

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I am seeing this phenomenon in my country. Once people discover that their beloved leader is corrupt, they just justify with "all politicians are the same". Society becomes so cynic that it very hard to bring change. Politicians are considered corrupt by default, I don't know how that ends.

by afavour26 days ago|

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> You don’t act honourably because that will “get you ahead”. You act honourably because it is right.

As much as I would like to believe that’s true I don’t think it is.

You act honourably because society incentivises you to. To act dishonourably is to be disadvantaged, to be shamed, to be cast out. That is the part that’s missing today.

by jdlshore26 days ago|

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I see where you’re coming from, but something about this framing bothers me.

I think acting honorably has to come from within. It’s something that people need to do regardless of rewards or incentives. Now, how we create a culture that actually does so… that has to come from society. But, imo, if people only act honorably because they’re rewarded for it, and they don’t when no one is looking… that’s not acting honorably at all.

by lovemenot26 days ago|

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You can both be right. I live in a high trust society (Japan), but was raised elsewhere. When I first came here, there were times I had to suppress my instinct to take opportunistic advantage. That was intrinsic motivation.

Later, I had adapted to the culture around me. Such instincts rarely arise as it had become extrinsic.

by afavour26 days ago|

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My pessimistic take is that the majority of the population will simply never do that. Look at organized religion. One of its key promises is “behave in life and you’ll get everything you could ever dream of in the afterlife”. I don’t think it’s coincidental.

by pixl9726 days ago|

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> You act honourably because it is right.

Well, and because it's not typically fatal in very short order.

The problem comes in when honor makes you a target to erase by people more powerful than you. Being dead right gets you nowhere.

by GuinansEyebrows26 days ago|

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> The old adage that the people elect the governance they deserve; comes to

this idea has always bothered me. i think people (even ones i disagree with) deserve better.