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It memory almost certainly is coming in house all you need to do is look at Apple’s history Intel out, Broadcom out, Qualcomm on the way out, Nvidia has been out for a long time, AMD is also out. Apple has the capability and the money, the current market conditions have changed I believe Apple will make plans and move on.
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> Apple has started making a lot of different things in house, its only a matter of time imo.

Define "making". Sure, they design a lot of stuff in-house (CPUs/SoCs, wireless chipsets, etc), but they do not manufacture these things in-house: they have no fabs themselves.

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Definition: Apple is the architect and engineer, and someone else will do the fab probably TSMC who is also motivated to keep their engines running?
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Given the current issue is with fab capacity, what would Apple gain by being the architect/engineer of RAM? They hand off the 'blueprints' to someone who is already at capacity?

And it's not about motivation, but capacity: everything is currently at 100%. To get more capacity means building more fabs, and given the historically cyclical nature of semiconductors not may people want to necessarily take that risk (potentially end up with over capacity). And it wouldn't help now, as it takes >2 years to build a fab.

Unless the suggestion is for Apple to design M- and A-series CPUs with the memory circuitry in-die instead of on-package? (Using up some 'transistor budget' for RAM.)

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Once again, Apple is already given the bums rush to five other companies when they got in the way of what they wanted to build Apple isn’t going to sit around, based upon their recent history in the last 20 years and do nothing.

I don’t understand why that’s so hard to understand and I certainly don’t think Apple will hesitate with a new technocrat CEO coming in September 2026, if Apple had a “slug” MBA person coming in September, I might buy the argument that they may not do anything but they have shown that they are capable of playing the long game when necessary.

I wish I could’ve been a fly on the wall 5-6 years ago to see what the conversation was like on Hacker News when rumors of Apple replacing Intel came up. I bet it was much of the same. Oh no, don’t do anything.

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I doubt they want to make a commodity.

But who knows. Their unified memory architecture across core types already puts them in a different design space. Maybe that design space leads them to further opportunities for memory architecture differentiation.

I could see them (1) taking the two processing chips that make up an Ultra in coming generations, (2) fabbed with logic on top, and power distributed on the back side, as Intel is going for, and (3) sandwiching the logic sides around a layer of unified RAM, with (4) massive optical linking distributed across the surfaces, resulting in (5) unbelievable bandwidths and parallelism we couldn't dream of today.

And then, (6) announcing it at WWDC 2029 and (7) taking my money 5 minutes after the midnight when pre-order's start.

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(5.5) cool the whole thing in a way nobody else manages because of their vertical integration.
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