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upvoteby FrasiertheLion15 hours ago|
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That's basically what we built at Tinfoil. We run open source models inside secure enclaves (also using Intel TDX/AMD SEV-SNP + NVIDIA Confidential Computing). All the code running inside the enclave is open source and the client SDKs (also open source) automatically verify that the pinned source code matches the runtime attestation. The protocol used is TLS (terminates in the enclave) + HPKE keys generated inside the enclave on boot. Docs walk you through the verification process: https://docs.tinfoil.sh/verification/verification-in-tinfoil

Of course, we can't support Claude or Grok as they are closed source, but there is no incentive for companies that need your data to train the next generation of models to allow for private inference. One day...

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upvoteby mixdup17 hours ago|
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Apple isn't shipping this in the EU
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upvoteby pokstad17 hours ago|
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Funny, OP wants them to force a feature via regulation, and regulation is the reason they won’t even deliver the feature in question. Death by regulation.
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upvoteby chvid17 hours ago|
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The business model is the reason they won’t deliver the feature (allowing the end-user to choose the backend model).
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upvoteby solenoid093711 hours ago|
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This just means the feature has little ROI or market value
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upvoteby pokstad4 hours ago|
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Yes, it doesn’t have enough ROI potential with the given regulation.
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upvoteby chvid17 hours ago|
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Apple isn’t giving up the market of neither the EU nor China.
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upvoteby mixdup17 hours ago|
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They didn't say they aren't shipping in China, just working through regulatory issues. I assume that means they're working on a China-operated "private" cloud compute instance like every other US cloud provider

They did say that they are specifically not shipping in the EU because of the DMA, so until the DMA or the EC's interpretation of the DMA, changes, these new AI features aren't shipping there. That is not the same thing as Apple abandoning the EU.

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upvoteby ginko9 hours ago|
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The EC wrote the DMA. There is nothing to "interpret" for them.
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upvoteby mixdup4 hours ago|
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My Brother in Christ, different administrations can and do "interpret" laws differently all the time. Sometimes even the same administration might change how they enforce a law.

Also, technically didn't the EU Parliament write and pass the DMA, and the EC enforces it? I'm not European so I don't know the intricate details of the incredibly Byzantine process of the EU so maybe I'm wrong there

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upvoteby Bud17 hours ago|
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Let's actually not hope that, and let's not indulge the EU regulators' fantasies that they get to dictate the product design of products from non-EU countries.

Force Apple to support all kinds of arbitrary models? That's a comically bad idea.

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upvoteby conception16 hours ago|
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“Let’s not indulge US regulators fantasies that they get to dictate the product design of cars from non-US countries.”

Of course governments have the ability to decide what products are sold in their countries and how.

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upvoteby fauigerzigerk9 hours ago|
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They ultimately don't have that power. All they can do is block the sale of products. Arguably, that power gives them leverage to negotiate the availability of some products or features. But as this Apple case shows, this negotiating leverage is limited.
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upvoteby Bud5 hours ago|
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upvoteby chvid16 hours ago|
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Why would it be ok that a monopoly business prevents free competition and consumer choice by only allowing certain or a single model provider that likely gives them kickback via some opaque business deal?
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upvoteby devsda16 hours ago|
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> EU regulators' fantasies that they get to dictate the product design of products from non-EU countries.

They should get to regulate the design of products from non-EU countries only those that are sold inside EU.

The fact that it is not cost effective for Apple to design two separate products(software or hardware) for EU and non-EU is an Apple problem.

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