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by somethingsome2 days ago |

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by tomrod2 days ago|

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> we will have a huge quantity of vibe coded code on github

That may actually be an improvement over much of the code that is generated for papers.

by exe342 days ago|

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> you try to understand the code, and it's all spaghetti, and you loose more time understanding the code than it would take to just reimplement it.

I agree with you in general, but maybe the jump would be similar to the one from hand-written punchcards/assembly to higher level compilers. Very few people worry about the asm generated from GHC for example. So maybe a lot of code would be like that. I also imagine at some point a better intermediate language for LLMs to generate will be discovered and suddenly that's how most programs will be written.

by somethingsome2 days ago|

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I would love that, I mostly work with ideas and the codes are implementation details for me, so yes, in some way, having automated code generation would allow me to be way more productive. I'm not against it, I'm just scared about the efficiency of the approach by an LLM (at the moment at least)

The example codes they give is 'implementing deep learning papers', I find those papers the easiest to implement compared to some obscure algorithm for example that can't rely on frameworks such as pytorch and where speed is critical.

I can't find the essay, but I think it was wolfram that wrote that we should let students use Mathematica and educate them in using it from a young age, the rationale behind is: before you had to use logarithmic tables, and it took much time during the education. Then, with the event of the calculator, students could instantaneously compute logarithms, so they could focus on more advanced ideas that use them. With Mathematica they could automatically execute matrix operations, so they would spend most of the time thinking about matrix operations instead of just learning how to manipulate a matrix by hand.

So with more powerful tools, you can expand the capabilities faster.

But the main difference I see here, is that maths are precise and well defined. Here you get a software which is a sample in the space of possible softwares that solve the problem (if you are lucky).

To get to the metaphorical point punchcards->GHC you need a LLM tool that give always the same answer, and hopefully, the optimal one, and with small changes in the paper, it moves the software in the space of viable softwares only a bit. Maybe we will get there, but this is not yet what this paper proposes

by UltraSane2 days ago|

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It would be very interesting to teach kids math using Mathmatica starting from kindergarten.

by dadoomer1 days ago|

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> the jump would be similar to the one from hand-written punchcards/assembly to higher level compilers

I wouldn't. Compilers are not stochastic text models and they can be verified and reasoned about to a great extent.

by Narew2 days ago|

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Honestly, the code from my interns have greatly improve since they use AI. And there is lots of really ugly and hard to read code from papers. So I don't think it will be an obvious loss of readability to have code completely generated by AI :)

by somethingsome2 days ago|

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Very interesting, do you have a specific approach to educate them in how to use LLMs? Or they do it free wheel? Do you give advices? If so which kind?

I would love to have a structured approach to help students learn to use better LLMs. What I have observed (for uni students) is that they produce better code overall, but have no idea how it works, and would not be able to reproduce it without LLMs. (this is from first to last year)

by Narew2 days ago|

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For the moment it's a bit free wheel. And I agree the code is better but they could probably not reproduce it themself. I honestly don't know how to "force" them to understand the code the llm write if the code is clean. But this happen when the code produce by llm is over complicated or bad and we catch that by doing code review. I have the impression it will create even more disparity between student, students that just use llm code and the ones that try to understand it.