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by Defletter2 days ago |
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upvoteby LugosFergus1 days ago|
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I found the lack of mature tooling to be hugely problematic. The Visual D extension always felt flimsy and unreliable when debugging D.

DUB also exhibits weird behavior. For example, I wanted it to produce separate debug and release binaries, which it won't do out of the box. Instead, it'll create the same binary for both configurations. Changing that behavior was more difficult than it needed to be. Maybe it's changed since then, but I didn't have a pleasurable experience.

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upvoteby dimgl2 days ago|
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> And Dlang was, by far, the worst experience out of the lot. Firstly is the lack of adequate, comprehensive, and centralised tooling. I almost gave up when dmd could not even compile a freshly init'd project.

Yep this also happened to me when I tried D. I love the idea of the language and the syntax is great, but I really don't want to fight my tools when I'm working on a project.

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upvoteby trikko1 days ago|
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Hi there. I'm the serverino's author.

Could you please explain better what's wrong with it?

It could be useful to improve newcomers experience.

How did you choose serverino over other frameworks?

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upvoteby Defletter1 days ago|
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Oh the issue isn't with serverino itself but with the lack of tooling-support for the language features that serverino makes heavy use of. And while serverino is open source, so one can ultimately view its source code, not having access to modern IDE type inspection adds a lot of unnecessary friction.
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upvoteby trikko1 days ago|
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Still curious: How did you choose Serverino among the many servers?
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upvoteby Defletter1 days ago|
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Might seem silly, but the choice just came from looking at (https://code.dlang.org/search?q=websockets) and seeing that serverino is the only one maintained. vibe-d isn't listed there, I only learned about that later. Basically, serverino has good SEO.
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upvoteby trikko1 days ago|
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Thanks, good to know. Also the fact that you searched directly on the site is a clue for me :)
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upvoteby Defletter1 days ago|
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How so, if I may ask?
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upvoteby trikko18 hours ago|
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Well, you might have searched for GitHub or got there from some page where serverino was mentioned (forum, ...) or maybe someone suggested it to you in the community. Once a program of mine was mentioned in a telegram channel and I started seeing a lot of stars on github and I didn't understand why.
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upvoteby throwawee2 days ago|
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Tangential, but which of the 7 ended up being the best experience?
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upvoteby Defletter2 days ago|
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It's a tossup between Dart and Bun: Dart has better language features but Bun has better APIs. Since Bun is first and foremost a Javascript runtime, it inherits its annoyances and issues, like the complete lack of pattern matching, or switch expressions at all, or decent enums, etc. That said, Bun includes SQLite support and encryption out of the box, whereas Dart is heavily compartmentalised (https://pub.dev/publishers/dart.dev/packages). Imagine if, in Bun, importing "node:crypto" meant needing a "node:crypto" npm dependency. Dart ekes out the win though, I think.
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upvoteby GoblinSlayer1 days ago|
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How did you build the rust project? The docs say:

> Most Rust programmers don't invoke rustc directly, but instead do it through Cargo. It's all in service of rustc though! If you want to see how Cargo calls rustc, you can

$ cargo build --verbose

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upvoteby Defletter1 days ago|
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Sure, but everything seems to point users towards using the compiler, not the package manager. For example:

- The tour guide first recommends dmd (https://tour.dlang.org/tour/en/welcome/run-d-program-locally), though it does mention dub at the bottom

- Clicking "Documentation -> Command-line Reference" takes you to dmd, with only the barest mention of dub

- Even this post, the "Programming in D" book, tells you to use dmd and doesn't mention dub at all.

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