This is exactly it - I have been thrown out 3x with a referral because no degree. Almost all of these were Java shops doing absolutely fuck all in terms of innovation while having an engineering team of hundreds - it seems like the majority of coding roles are these design pattern and degree checkboxes with the slowest, most “enterprise” apps imaginable.
replyI have an unrelated question. I'm not a Java dev, so I don't really get this, but I keep hearing it. I've heard, and maybe this is an exaggeration, that "scrappy innovative startup types" avoid candidates with only long term Java experience, because that tends to show a dispassion for programming. Is there truth to that? Do Java devs learn Java in college, and just do Java from then on without expanding their knowledge outside of that ecosystem?
replyLots of enterprise Java gigs are basically cobol 2.0. One client I had… the code was literally cobol that was translated to Java.
replyVery inflexible and formulaic coding that doesn’t tend to build up the person. If you stay a long time at a Java shop, make it clear you weren’t in that type of role.
I think a lot of the “steady, boring” software jobs are in .net and Java, and people tend to spend a long time in those roles, so they get used to the structures of their codebase and the company they work at. They get used to “this is the way things are done” even if there are hundreds of ways with different tradeoffs.
reply> “steady, boring” software jobs are in .net and Java
replyAmazon and AWS is built mostly on java
That sounds hard. I got my bsc and msc in cs in 2015 exactly because I was afraid of this.
replyI know maybe a couple of guys who've had successful careers in cs despite having no degree. Those guys are especially talented and industrious. Real rock stars. I'm an average slob in comparison and I feel lucky to have my papers, as I have a decent track record of getting interviews. Small local companies seem to respond the best to my resume. Big places and remote jobs seem to have a much higher bar to clear.
To be honest, Large financial organizations such as this one don't interest me much. I would rather work at a smaller company.
replyInterviewed on site with a referral. Ghosted
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