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That's exactly what I said - Russia is a hostile actor that has given plenty of reasons for war, regardless if they're involved in this, which neither me nor anyone else knows.
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War by who? Who do you think should declare war on Russia? And as another comment said, are you volunteering? You can even wage war against Russia now if you want to, volunteers in Ukraine are always welcome.
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> War by who

By the international community of course. The same one that has heavily sanctioned Russia.

> And as another comment said, are you volunteering? You can even wage war against Russia now if you want to, volunteers in Ukraine are always welcome.

That's just a cheap deflection. Me dying in the trenches won't change anything; a coordinated properly aggressive response might teach the war criminals at the Kremlin that they will not be let off. It's just a repeat of Munich/Ethiopia, and no individual at our level can do anything about it but advocate for change in policy to our governments.

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It's not a cheap deflection. You want other people to die in the trenches or worse, to die in a nuclear war. The deflection is to say that "your life won't change anything", which I mean sure yes, but that's what every single war mongers that doesn't want to fight the wars that they promote say. If everyone said that, no one would be fighting against Russia right now.

And it's funny to say that it's a repeat of Munich / Ethiopia. Again, war mongers will always prefer comparing to the few times where war was the only solution. The only issue is that not only do both situations have nothing in common (not that anyone cared about Ethiopia, since European colonialism in Africa was nothing new), but it also erases the fact that we are talking about nuclear powers here. If Hitler had nuclear weapons pointed at London and New York back in 1938, then obviously the equation wouldn't be as simple as "stop him now" even with hindsight lol.

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It is quite common to see bad geopolitical actors paying people to go online and accuse Westerners of being "Warmongers" or telling people who object to Putin's wars of imperialist aggression to "go and enlist and fight" with the subtext that the audience are weak and decadent Westerners with no stomach to fight a literal Mafiya-run fascist dictatorship.

Speaking strictly for myself, given that I want to avoid having people think I'm apologising for the Putin regime, I do not ever use these arguments in good faith.

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Nope, that's not what I said. I'm a westerner, and it's not about "good faith". It has nothing to do with behind decadent or lazy.

It's because the modus operandi of war mongers, since before world war 1 has always been to agitate for wars that they don't want to fight for themselves. We are talking about nuclear war here, the bad faith argument is to imply that being against it is a sign of being a paid Russian shill. I guess the Pentagon is full of said shills, since they have never even hinted towards a direct war against Russia, or wanted to get directly (by means of troops on the ground) involved in one.

Now I agree that sometimes it's simply not realistic to go all "well do it yourself then". But in this case, Ukraine accepts, trains and equips volunteers. It's not a hypothetical.

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