Demis reports to Sundar. All of Demis's decisions would have been vetted by and either approved, rejected, or refined by Sundar. There's no way to actually distinguish how much of the value was from whom, unless you have inside info.
replyThe Nobel Committee seemed fairly sure who was responsible for what around those parts.
replyYou either attribute both good and bad things to the CEO, or dont. If enshittifying is CEO's fault, then so is Gemini's success.
replyWhy? We've all seen organizations in which some things happen because of the CEO, and others happen in spite of them.
replyBut you don’t just get to pick which is which willy nilly just to push your opinions
replyRight, of course, but I don't see any evidence from which to assume that they're picking "willy nilly."
replyRead back what you just wrote. It is literally "willy nilly".
reply"Somethings are because of CEO, and some things are in spite of CEO"
And it was "willy nilly" attributed that enshittification was because of CEO (how do we know? maybe it was CFO, or board) and Gemini because of Demis (how do we know? maybe it was CEO, or CFO, or Demis himself).
I guess I don't understand why you so strongly believe that CuriouslyC's comment reflects an uninformed opinion without any basis in fact.
replyI see somebody saying something on here, I tend to assume that they have a reason for believing it.
If your opinions differ from theirs, you could talk about what you believe, instead of incorrectly saying that a CEO can only be responsible for everything or nothing that a company does.
You're misunderstanding what he's saying. He's saying Google has started enshittifing products and Sundar gets the blame for that. Sundar is also the CEO so he gets credit for Gemini. Google's playbook is enshittification though and if Gemini ever gets a big enough moat, it will be enshittified. Even Gemini 2.5 Pro has gotten worse for me with the small updates and it's not as good when it first launched. Google topped the benchmarks and then made it worse.
replyat the very least, enshittification is a company policy and gemini is a specific product.
replyNot really, pressure to move into AI is so vast that it in reality the CEO had little saying about moving into it or not, and they already had smart employees to make it a reality, vastly different that what happened with enshitification which Gemini is part of, just recently people were complaining that the turn off button was hijacked to start Gemini in their Android phones.
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