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What is good, then? Because I'm really not seeing it. Just peek at substack and bluesky to see how the templating ideas in web dev have turned out. (I'm assuming they are decent modern examples. If not, I'm game to see one.)

by 9rx2 hours ago|

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That which improves upon previous solutions.

I have no idea what substack and bluesky are, but I'll take that to suggest that someone used templating to create a mess. While that is no doubt true — someone can create a mess out of anything — would the same person have avoided the mess if the templating wasn't there? It is just ergonomics, after all, not some fundamentally different idea.

by taeric2 hours ago|

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substack and bluesky are just newer sites. I don't even think they are bad. Just I question the volume of markup that they use to layout stuff. Knowing that that is the standard.

Do you have examples that are good?

by 9rx1 hours ago|

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At the time, this was good:

   printf("%d", 10);

It might not hold up to today's standards, but "good" isn't a constant.

by taeric1 hours ago|

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So, no? You don't have any examples by which to demonstrate what a good templating language is?

You seem to have gone on a tangent that "good" is a general topic in my question. I meant do we have specifically good examples of templates. Surely if we know what good templating syntax is, we can share examples of it? Even if you can't describe it directly.

by 9rx1 hours ago|

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I provided a good template language, at least given what was good at the time it was introduced. As good is necessarily a moving target, one can never really satisfy your request as by the time the submission has round-tripped it is quite possible that what is good has already been redefined.

So, yes, I understand you are trying to call attention to my 'loosey-goosey' usage earlier. But I am saying that when I said "good", it was relative to the temporal position it found itself in.

by taeric1 hours ago|

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Then take my question as, "then what is a good templating example today?"

Dodging the obvious question in favor of discussing if we can make progress... feels less than good faith.

by 9rx1 hours ago|

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I still consider the templating language I shared before, even at the time of this comment, to be good.

But, as recognized earlier, others may find it doesn't hold up to today's standards. "Good" is not only not a constant, but is also subjective. Do I really have to explain the entire universe here? Man.

by taeric1 hours ago|

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You didn't share a templating language, though? You shared an example of a formatting/templating string, but didn't even indicate what level of format string it supported. Such that I don't know if you are sharing C's printf, bash's printf, PHP's... I can presume you don't intend to include CL's FORMAT. Even if I do have a softspot for it, myself.

by 9rx59 minutes ago|

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> You shared an example of a formatting/templating string

Which is, you guessed it, a language! Okay, yeah, I didn't dive in so deep as to provide a formal specification for the language, or whatever it is you were hoping for, but if you really want to take this to silly town, I'm going to tell you that what you saw is the only valid input for this language and only specify that, so, maybe, unless you are having fun with this comedy routine (in which case, carry on; I'm certainly still entertained!), you can read between the lines? The question asking if I need to explain the universe was rhetorical, implying that I am not going to do that.