I can't blame any company for wanting to stay out of that market.
[A] probably? I couldn’t conclusively determine this, and I’m not an expert
Long story short, for being a publicly traded company, they would need to "transform" to an AG ("Aktiengesellschaft", where "Aktie" means "share of stock").
Its a limited liability structure and most businesses from small to large that have private shareholders use it (Red Bull or Porsche Holding are GmbHs for example)
"Premium"
Access to Enterprise repository
Complete feature-set
Support via Customer Portal
Unlimited support tickets
Response time: 2 hours* within a business day
Remote support (via SSH)
Offline subscription key activationWhat's a business day? I wouldn't call that a 24/7 SLA.
You asked for an Enterprise SLA. Not all Enterprise SLAs are 24/7. IM(Professional)E, most are not 24/7.
> What's a business day?
From the FAQ on the page linked to by guerby:
What are the business days/hours for support?
Ticket support provided by the Proxmox Enterprise support team is available on Austrian business days (CET/CEST timezone) for all Basic, Standard, or Premium subscribers, please see all details in the Subscription Agreement.
For different timezones, contact one of our qualified Proxmox resellers who will be able to offer you help with Proxmox solutions in your timezone and your local language.
It's kind of frustrating because it's such a tiny detail that could make them a real contender in this new power vacuum.
Well, their FAQ says:
For different timezones, contact one of our qualified Proxmox resellers who will be able to offer you help with Proxmox solutions in your timezone and your local language.
Proxmox needs to better their reputation right now if they're going to be counted as a contender, and burying the fact that you can have 24/7 SLA is not a good way of improving that reputation of being mostly for the homebrew crowd.
No. It took me less than 60 seconds to find it.
> ...the lack of it front and center probably scares away a lot of clients.
I've done on-call enterprise support for the products that I and the folks I worked with maintained and extended. We were whatever tier "the folks who work on the product" is. [0]
I can pretty authoritatively tell you that the folks who are scared away by a 60->120 second search to answer the question "It looks like this one vendor doesn't offer 24/7 support, but they do offer a list of certified support vendors. Do one or more of the vendors they certify to provide support and training provide 24/7 support?" are the sort of folks you rather don't want as customers.
[0] Tier 2? Tier 3? Who knows?
Any serious enterprise software or hardware company absolutely has a 24/7 support option. They all have a base option that is not 24/7 for a significantly lower price.
There’s no way you’re replacing VMware in any company of any size without 24/7 support.
I know thst youre right about the wording turning off orgs but I do wonder when the biggest enterprise organisation can barely offer it in practice what really is the show stopper for business.
The trap is you need Microsoft support training & strategy. If you buy unified and open a sev a, they just fuck around and assign an engineer from Antartica who works from 3AM-6:20AM Mongolian time, then reassign at 6:19AM to dude in Japan to reset their 2 hour SLA for the incident manager. In general, if you are big, you're better off buying Premier from a partner, and declaring a crit sit. Many issues are fixable by less dumb third party L2 techs, and you can leverage the partner's juice with Microsoft to get somebody. You have the ability to inflict real pain on the reseller, but all Microsoft will do for a strategic customer is send some VP of something to apologize profusely at great length and suggest the more staff meet with your TAM/CSM so they can get a dramatic reading of a powerpoint. Companies like this only understand pain, so you need leverage.
Microsoft is uniquely bad at this type of stuff. Anyone committing serious infrastructure where bad things are gonna happen when it goes down is insane for using HyperV. But you're also insane expecting a small reseller of some small company to pull your chestnuts out of the fire.
With open source, if you have the right people, you can find/ bisect down to the commit and function where the problem is exactly, which speeds up the remedy immensely. We have done such a thing with backup restores from the Proxmox Backup Server. The patches are now in Proxmox VE 9.0 because the low hanging fruit problem was actually with the client code not the Proxmox Backup Server.
The show stopper is explaining to your CEO that you don’t have 24/7 support on a piece of software that’s core to the business.
You can explain away horrible 24/7 support and keep your job. Not so much if you buy something that doesn’t even offer it and you have a hard outage at 5pm on a Friday.
Anyway, as the FAQ answer that I quoted mentions, there are plenty of qualified Proxmox resellers who offer support for folks who are dissatisfied with what is offered by Proxmox Server Solutions GmbH. One reseller explicitly advertises 24x7 support [0]. I expect others would offer 24x7 support if you asked, but don't see the need to advertise it up-front.
[0] <https://www.proxmox.com/en/partners/find-partner/all/partner...>
In the end we're going with hpe.
I forgot about MSFT's ability to bundle Hyper-V though which seems to come up in this thread a lot.
Love the username.