The crux of it was not that libera has no ties to the uk - they appearently do, allegedly some of their servers and staff are there - its that they have insufficient market penetration.
In an autocracy, you're at God's mercy.
I don't intend to ever travel to Russia or North Korea, but that's not some trivial anecdote about modern life, those are regimes so hostile to rule of law and individual safety that it's not reasonable to travel there.
What if there's a conference you want to go to, but it's in the UK? Or you have friends you want to visit? Or family, or whatever.
That's also an egregious degradation of the UK's position with regard to Western-norms around personal liberties, which itself is worthy of remark.
And now the UK joins the ranks as well. I should add that the US is also a member of this club if you’re foreign or you appear to be foreign, we are no paragon of virtue either.
Is this a Poe’s Law comment?
The UK on the other hand seems to have forgotten this basic, common approach to international relations and criminal jurisdiction, so if you work on any foreign technology or content that could be targeted by the UK government, it’s better to stay away.
(Yes I am aware that the US also doesn’t obey this principle, but that doesn’t make it right.)
I find it interesting how the shrinking of the world via the internet may result in more international isolation because of conflicting online laws.
Using cannabis is 100% illegal in every part of the US. The idea that it’s legal in some states is a common misconception, but not true.
If you forge Vietnamese money but you do it outside their border, they won’t arrest you if you go there because (from your other comment) “No country should have the right to enforce laws globally”?
This seems unlikely, and like you are cherry picking the UK because the example is digital and this is HN.
And, yes, there are some types of speech (libel, for instance) that merit special scrutiny. A web forum does not. It is literally just an online conversation—the very definition of protected speech.
For the UK to impose these restrictions within its own borders is already unacceptable. For them to play at imposing them on people in other countries is worse still. If they're serious about this, they should suck it up and proactively block websites from abroad that violate their guidelines. Vague threats of punishments without prior warning are ridiculous.
Whether that travel happens physically or digitally is of no concern to me.
I suppose you may make the argument that the internet is more like shipping a package than handing something over a counter to a traveler. I don’t think this applies. At most it’s like the customer sends a neutral intermediary to make a purchase/pickup, where that intermediary tells me nothing about the customer except a vague idea of their location (which may be inaccurate). In this case it’s the intermediary, or one of the many intermediaries in the chain, who actually “imports” the item.
If you want to block content, start there with the “importer”. China already understands this well, I don’t know why the UK hasn’t caught on other than a desire to force its own local standards on Americans. We won’t stand for it.
(Your example about forged currency is as absurd as an example about nuclear weapons or attempting to organize revolution. Yes, some things cross the threshold into a critical economic/military issue and all bets are off at that point.)
If they want to order ISPs to block services there needs to be some legal framework to do so. "We contacted them, they didn't respond, now we need to revert to blocking" sounds pretty convincing to me.
For your other argument I'll ask the question I ask anytime this comes up: How would you propose laws/regulations on online services are enforced if not (at least in principle) globally?
As well as "family friendly filters" that block rouge sites via their own DNS.
[0] https://www.blocked.org.uk/about
And if you're a person of interest your connection is routes through GCHQ Cheltenham.
So it wouldn't be to hard for Ofcom to apply a filter. If they did expect domestic ISPs will comply but hopefully independent ISPs won't.
I’m more afraid that anglosphere is showing the way for the rest of west-y world. Looking at chat control stuff and all that jazz, it’s matter of time same stuff becomes a thing in the rest „free“ world.
There are plenty of countries like that.
> but it's in the UK? Or you have friends you want to visit? Or family, or whatever.
Then yes, if on a individual level that affects you, you have to be careful. Like citizens of China or Russia, or Saudi Arabia. Welcome to the club, UK, I guess?
Genuine question.
There. Now I can't go to Thailand.
Why do people act like breaking British law is a bigger deal than breaking Thai law?
At least nobody's acting like it's obvious British law applies everywhere, like they tend to do with the GDPR.
Turns out, laws end at the limits of the jurisdiction's ability to enforce them! What a concept!