https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2023/02/17/france-s...
The European Union insists that EDF must sell energy at very discounted prices, so that third-party "providers" can make an entry on the energy market. The idea was that they would eventually sell their own energy supply, but most just pocketed the difference between the dirt-cheap energy & what they charged customers, then ran away the moment there was any hint of change on the horizon.
Or, to put it in simpler, blunter terms: in the name of "competition", EDF was forced to heavily subsidize companies that turned out to be nothing more than rent-seekers that only sought to, effectively, grab free subsidy money.
Here are some articles about it:
2022: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/10/edf-sues-fr... 2023: https://www.ft.com/content/e2fc3abf-4803-4561-8ef2-0c77fd2d0... 2024: https://www.bruegel.org/policy-brief/europes-under-radar-ind...
I'm not sure if I'm feeling better or worse that it's a EU invention. Either way, it's hellof a corrupt practice.
ARENH looks like a mechanism by which France wanted to entice competition in end customer sales (and distribution?) of electricity.
https://fsr.eui.eu/regulated-access-to-incumbent-nuclear-ele...
France chose to use the mechanism of ARENH. This isn't an EU thing.
That's usually how that works. The EU makes rules and national parliaments create local laws to comply.
Of course they could have chosen another way to comply, for example breaking up EDF. But they didn't want to do that, probably for good reasons.
For 2023 and 2024 EDF was profitable, with net income of those two years exceeding that 2022 loss.
Ouch!
EDF is generally highly profitable while at the same time delivering cheap, reliable power. 2023 was the one exception, due to the energy crisis and its interaction with the ARENH program that forces EDF to sell power from nuclear at a fixed low price (usually way below market).
Even if it needs that power itself.
So in 2022, it still had to sell this power at 4 cent/kWh, and then had to buy that same power back from the market at up to €1/kWh.
https://www.pbssocal.org/news-community/l-a-s-long-troubled-...
It is only very recently that California started trying to decarbonize.
When France did their amazing nuclear build, it was for energy independence, not for decarbonization purposes. It was a very forward thinking move, even if it wasn't as cheap initially imagined and ended up being stopped before fully completed. It was a national security project.
However nuclear is cheap when the high upfront capital costs have been paid off, and it's down to just the operating expenses. Building it is oppressively expensive, however, especially as labor costs have risen in the many decades since the 1970s while.
As France's nuclear fleet ages out and needs to be replaced, it seems unlikely that they will be able to pull off a build of a second fleet. Their efforts at prototyping the next design, the EPR, have been fairly disastrous, with builds at Flamanville and in Finland going very poorly.
I suspect that Germany & California's current route to decarbonization through renewables will be followed by France in the coming decades.
Renewables will continue to be a force and work around the edges. Too much on the line to shut down nuclear for France. It will get subsidized and it provides energy independence. Potentially but not certain future where other people are also purchasing nuclear assets which pushes down maintenance / manufacturing costs. Risk is that China deploys globally and is the operator. France isn't known for high quality - reasonably costed items - fast time line products.
As well - unspoken part of renewable is in case of a security incident in Europe (see Russia) - nuclear is much more stable work load then solar (could easily scatter bomb solar assets). I know that sounds unintuitive given peoples concern about Nuclear - but there is a such a common good to protect nuclear assets due to fallout where solar assets are localized.
Germany de-carbonization path (shutting down their nuclear plants) was a massive mistake and have seriously hindered their economic long run competitiveness. Its been a black eye for them.
If the goal is energy independence, renewables will provide that more cheaply. If the goals are the other side effects of nuclear power: isotopes, national pride (Curie!), workforce augmentation for nuclear submarines and nuclear weapons, then these goals also require far fewer reactors than enough to power the entire country.
I do not doubt that there may be some level of nuclear power in the future. But I would take a long bet that in 2050, France is closer to 0% nuclear power than it is to the current level. (That phrasing is confusing, but I think the fraction of nuclear power will be less than half its current amount)
Maybe, but I think the corollary goal is to have nuclear power be a bigger part of the remaining non-renewables. So if (exaggerating grossly) it's 90% renewable, 9% nuclear, and 1% other, that's arguably still better than the current state.
The only cheap renewable infrastructure comes from an enemy country and PV solar panels start degrading the moment you install them.
If you think "energy independence" means "be completely and utterly dependent on Chinese manufacturing" then sure, solar and wind offer a quick path to that.
But that's not what the term means, it means "don't need to depend on any other country to keep the lights on". And for Western countries nuclear is really the only option there, whether you like it or not.
If you think nuclear is too expensive, just wait until you see the bill for the the continual refusal to develop indigenous electric capability the minute things start going sideways.
This is false on both counts. The US is (was?) making panels that were only about $0.18/W more expensive than the cheapest panels. India is also standing up quite a bit of manufacturing. France could also make their own panels, Germany had some experience with that too...
Also, panels last 30 years, there's no continuous fueling like there is with fossil fuels and nuclear.
> If you think "energy independence" means "be completely and utterly dependent on Chinese manufacturing" then sure, solar and wind offer a quick path to that.
The idea that using solar somehow makes us in any way dependent on China is so ludicrous that I'm amazed you type it out! Please try to justify that in any way. More nuclear in the US would make us more dependent on Russia than a 100% solar electricity system could ever make us dependent on China.
> If you think nuclear is too expensive, just wait until you see the bill for the the continual refusal to develop indigenous electric capability the minute things start going sideways.
First, actually look at the numbers. Nuclear is more expensive. Second, look at where the US is getting its nuclear fuel as late as 2024, Russia, accounting for a large part of our trade with a country that we're not supposed to be trading with at all:
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/russia...
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=64444
And Russia is far more hostile to the US on all fronts that China is.
We have solar panel manufacturing capacity in the US, we can build it on our own for cheap enough to replace all our dependence on global fossil fuel markets and their volatility, and yet people are for some reason fabricating complete fantasies to say that solar and wind are somehow not the most independent of all power generation forms.
The EPR2 costs just keeps spiraling. They haven't even started building yet or been able to agree on how to finance the subsidies.
This is the same France that less than a month ago had another government collapse due to being underwater in debt with a spending problem and being unable to agree on how to fix it.
A massive handout to the nuclear industry sounds like just the right plan!
It is also funny that you mention Russia. You do know that the EU despite 19 sanction packages haven't been able to agree on sanctions for the Russian nuclear industry. We still are too reliant on it.
Germany was able to quickly phase out Russian fossil gas, while france keeps being EUs no. 1 importer of Russian LNG.
But I do love blaming everything on Germany. So much easier.
My own country never wanted nukes and they discovered large deposits of natural gas so that was it. After all nuclear energy was never as cheap as they envisioned in the 1950s.
https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/CA-QC/5y/yearly
(To be transparent, there's controversy around calling hydroelectric renewable.)
- Banquiao (China, 1975): between 26.000 and 240.000 [1]
- Derna (Lybia, 2023): between 6000 and 20.000 deaths [2]
- Machchu (India, 1979): 5000 deaths [3]
- Vajont (Italy, 1963): 2000 deaths [4]
- Möhne dam (Germany, 1943): 1500 deaths [5]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Banqiao_Dam_failure
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Derna_dam_collapse
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morvi_dam_failure
Many dams have been built around the world not for power generation, but to control flooding. The power generation is a secondary concern.
In aggregate dams have saved far more lives, by managing flood waters.
The great thing in 2025 is that we don’t need either the dam or nuclear risk for our electricity needs.
Just build renewables and storage and the risk for the general public is as close to zero as we can get. The only people involved in accidents are those that chose to work in the industry installing and maintaining the gear.
We should of course continue to focus on work place safety but for the general public the risk of a life changing evacuation, radiation exposure or flood from dam failure does not exist.
I guess I’m surprised it isn’t more of an option for California - the U.K. uses Snowdonia as a giant battery, and afaik there’s been one failure of a dam that wiped half of trefriw off the map a century ago - which wasn’t hard as it’s a speck of a place. Since then the lakes have pretty reliably and safely provided somewhere to stick excess energy, and now are largely pumped by the offshore wind arrays nearby.
California has big mountains, but I’m not sure if the geology or terrain is right for PHES.
There are costs/risks for most forms of power. If you're in an environment where wind and solar can make economical sense, go for it. For reliable base loads, I still think order of preference should be:
- geothermal (very rare and hard to do at scale, though) - hydro
- nuclear
- natural gas
- oil/diesel (at very small, localized levels eg remote villages)
- burning live babies and cute animals
- coal
It is time we move on from the fossil tradition of socialized losses on private profits [1] and instead let the nuclear industry bear their true insurance cost.
No externalizing of costs like today.
[1]: https://www.imo.org/en/about/conventions/pages/international...
The whole intermittent renewables scam is private profits and socialized losses.
Then I suppose nuclear power is also a scam given thant 45% of the capacity in Sweden was out last week and we all know how it went for the French during the energy crisis. [1]
The electricity grid is fundamentally running on marginal cost. How will you force everyone with rooftop solar and home batteries to buy horrendously expensive new built nuclear power when they can supply their own electricity?
[1]: http://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/business/nuclear-power-fra...
I am just correcting misinformation and disinformation.
And no, you suppose incorrectly.
Intermittent renewables are a scam, because they get to privately reap benefits and socialize their costs, particularly their intermittency.
They can be useful, as long as they have to bear the costs of being intermittent. That means at minimum no feed-in priority and no fixed and/or guaranteed feed-in prices. Ideally, they would be required either (a) provide guaranteed power or (b) only be allowed to feed in after all the reliable plants.
Well, (b) would imply (a), so let's go with that.
With the same reasoning nuclear power is a scam because it can't adapt to the grid demand and forces gas peakers to sit in standby. Socializing the losses, to use your words.
In California the grid shifts between ~15 GW at the minimum and 52 GW at the peak.
When studies have looked at the difference in dispatchable power required comparing majorly renewables or nuclear powered grids when meeting true a grid demand the difference is quite small.
It does favor nuclear power but the differences are not significant in the grand scheme of things when factoring in the absolutely stupid cost for new built western nuclear power.
These studies of course did not take into account 45% of the nuclear fleet being offline, they modeled it based on their average ~85% capacity factor.
Or are you suggesting that we should have peaking nuclear plants to match grid demand? So it isn't a scam for the ratepayers?
Some demand is variable. But a lot (usually most) is not. So having reliable base generation is highly valuable and not having that base-load generation ramp up and down is a feature, not a bug.
Intermittent generation is not variable, it is intermittent. Whereas to meet variable demand it would need to be dispatchable. Look it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispatchable_generation
Intermittent renewables are not dispatchable. Not even a bit.
The US nuclear fleet's CF has hovered over 90%. France's is only in the high 70s or low 80s because they do extensive load following (the stuff you say nuclear can't do...they've only been doing it for four decades or so).
France took its fleet offline in the summer of 2022, because that is where demand is lowest and generation from intermittent renewables is highest, for example Germany typically has to give away lots of electricity (or even pay consumers to get rid of it) because of their guaranteed feed-in.
In the end, France had to import only 4% of its electricity even in 2022, and most of that was in the summer, again where electricity prices are lowest because of high generation and low demand. And during all the other years it tends to be largest exporter of electricity in Europe if not the world.
Like I said, on a yearly basis the Californian grid goes from 15GW to 50 GW.
That your nuclear grid will collapse when a cold spell hits leading to people freezing to death is fine.
Thats a socialized loss! Someone else will need to solve it!
I love that you completely ignored the Swedish example from last week.
And then with a sleight of hand ignored that the French nuclear issues persisted throughout the entire energy crisis winter.
Like France's grid has collapsed every year for the last 40 years.
And of course California's grid is well known for its stability. Or was that brownouts, rolling blackouts and high prices? Well, one of the two.
Nice chatting with you. Well, amusing at least.
Sweden just approved new nuclear construction, after rescinding a nuclear exit.
Just pretend that the fossil fuels doesn’t exist by exporting the nuclear electricity and have someone else build them and balance both grids!
What do you think would happen if you tried sticking two French grids with an over supply of nuclear powered electricity when no one wants the electricity next to each other?
You mean the brownouts storage and renewables have now completely fixed?
Yeah, way faster than handouts to new built nuclear power and waiting until the 2040s for the solution!
> Sweden just approved new nuclear construction, after rescinding a nuclear exit.
Yes. The current government has spent soon four years pushing paperwork around. They want nuclear power without having to accept the costs.
They seem to not want to have the costs associated with new built nuclear power subsidies on their political records for their entire careers.
I bet they will push through a monstrous handout package the final weeks before the election next September and then spend years crying about it being cut.
It would put me out of a job but I'd still rather see a surge in nuke generation and solar with storage, at least until we get fusion figured out.
> I'd still rather see a surge in nuke generation and solar with storage
How about wind?I'd rather live near a modern nuclear plant myself.
https://www.geni.org/globalenergy/library/energy-issues/braz...
"The future is already here – it's just not evenly distributed." - William Gibson
So it apparently doesn't matter what your existing grid is, coal, gas, nuclear, hydro, of whatever mix, the thing you should be building now is mostly solar, wind and (not quite caught on globally but just about to make a very big splash) batteries.
I have yet to see a cheap scalable alternative to carbon to deal with that volatility. Hydro perhaps in a handful of smaller, mountainous countries (and if you are not too regarding of the environmental damages). Right now the UK is using LNG to compensate wind.
So inevitably, the first batteries will always prioritize daily arbitrage, and only once that market is capped out will some battery projects target weekly/monthly/yearly arbitrage.
In countries with cold winters, the obvious solution is heat-energy storage systems, which don't output electricity but instead store and output heat directly; they're basically just a big pile of sand/stones/bricks wrapped in a ton of insulation. Thanks to the cube-square law, they scale up unbelievably well and can easily store months worth of heat.
Due to that scale they don't make much sense without district heating, but energy storage is a numbers-game and lots of cold places already have district heating that could be quite easily retrofitted.
Getting to France's level of nuclear decarbonization with batteries is cheap and easy with current prices. Using existing thermal plants for a few weeks a year and renewables for the rest is quite similar overall to France's mix.
What's challenging is the final 10%, 5%, and 1%. But it will take 15-20 years of deployment of our current cheap renewables+storage technology before we need to solve those final percents. In that time, technology will have advanced tremendously and we don't know what the cheapest solution will be, just that it will be cheaper than current tech. Plus it would take much longer than 15 years to even build nuclear in any significant quantity! France said a few years ago that they would be building handful of new reactors but I still have not seen progress!
The major factor was reducing the use of gas which lowers gas prices. As a result the main beneficiaries weren't electricity users but gas users paying lower prices and saving 133 Billion.
We also have periods in the winter (so solar of little to no use), where we can have a week or two of no wind.
As the gas generators are not run constantly, they're more expensive than if they were. There are various (at least 3) UK "gridwatch" sites available, offering real time and historical generation mix. Maybe have a look.
From memory, so probably flawed, we still tend to depend upon nuclear and gas for around 40 - 50 % of our generation (nuke being low - say between 5 and 10).
Coal has gone from 32% to 0.
Gas has gone from 40% to 30%
How do you square these numbers with wind being responsible for the amount of gas burned?
A new wind turbine is built and plugged into the grid. Does this cause more gas to be burned or less?
[edit] and we might be talking at cross purpose here. I think most of the new capacity built now is to expand the production, rather than to reduce other forms of productions (in which case you might just keep around existing gas capacity if it was there, to your point).
It illustrates both the volatility of wind (which regularly goes to zero for at least a week), and how it is currently pretty much 100% offset with gas.
There are also other ways to store energy. For polar regions sand batteries are capable of storing heat for months. High grade heat to the point they can siphon off that heat for power generation.
As such they are essentially massive switching-mode PSUs, and there is no possibility of having a synchronised connection, as the AC has to be synthesised, following the local spinning iron.
France is increasing its nuclear output. And planning to build new plants. (Expanding nuclear generation was prohibited by law up until March of 2023).
The added renewables help to make the nuclear plants more efficient and profitable, by taking up a good amount of the variable demand.
~/git/iaea-pris % sqlite3 pris_data.db
sqlite> select year, sum(electricity_supplied_gwh) from reactor_statistics, reactor_operating_history where reactor_statistics.reactor_id=reactor_operating_history.reactor_id and country_code='FR' and year > '1999' group by year;
year sum(electricity_supplied_gwh)
---- -----------------------------
2000 395392.3
2001 401256.49
2002 415110.33
2003 421028.62
2004 428040.69
2005 431179.56
2006 429819.63
2007 420129.49
2008 419800.32
2009 391752.97
2010 410086.42
2011 423509.48
2012 407437.88
2013 405898.51
2014 418001.4
2015 419035.02
2016 386452.88
2017 381846.02
2018 395908.34
2019 382402.75
2020 338735.78
2021 363394.15
2022 282093.23
2023 323773.23
2024 364390.78
France is planning new EPR2 reactors, but no construction is expected to start before 2027 and none would run before the 2030s. I put little trust in announcements of future plans without actual construction work, whether the plans are for nuclear reactors, wind farms, data centers, or any other major investment.Anyway: those numbers are not "reactors likely reaching EOL". Those are reactors reaching the end of their original operating license.
These two things are not the same. At all.
Initial operating licenses were intentionally relatively short, because at the time there was no experience with the longevity of reactors. So you conservatively license towards the short end.
Now that we have that experience, reactor operating licenses are getting extended. A lot. The first reactors in the US have had their licenses extended to 80 years, and the current consensus appears to be that 100 won't be a problem.
So France won't be running low on nuclear power anytime soon. Unless you're Mycle Schneider and/or confuse "current operating license expiry" with "EOL".
So even to build the one Flamanville 3 reactor, they had to shut down two older reactors in Fessenheim in order to not have an illegal increase in capacity.
Now that the law has been rescinded, they are planning 6 simplified EPR2 reactors, taking lessons from the fairly catastrophic EPR project FV3.
(Of course, even that catastrophic reactor will be more profitable than any intermittent renewable projects in, for example, Germany, but hey, the standards for what counts as "success" and what as "failure" are different for nuclear and for renewables).
France also currently does not need to urgently expand their nuclear fleet, so the schedule for the EPR2s matches those needs and the need to fully account for the problems with FV3. Instead, they are increasing the production of their existing fleet, both by operational upgrades and also by increasing use of intermittent renewables to cover variations in demand, allowing the nuclear fleet to run closer to fully rated capacity instead of having to load-follow.
Flamanville 3 is 7x over budget and 12 years late on a 5 year construction program.
The EPR2 program is in absolute shambles.
Currently they can’t even agree on how to fund the absolutely insanely bonkers subsidies.
Now targeting investment decision in H2 2026. And the French government just fell and was reformed because they are underwater in debt and have a spending problem which they can’t agree on how to fix.
A massive handout to the dead end nuclear industry sounds like the perfect solution!
For a number of fairly well-understood reasons:
1. It's a FOAK design.
2. France stopped building reactors, so expertise was sparse
3. The EPR is too complex, partly because it was designed for German safety standards, which in turn were specifically designed to make nuclear reactors economically unviable (they did not succeed with this). Those regulations are also prescriptive instead of requirements-based, so they don't allow simpler+safer passive cooling like the AP-1000s. It's silliness layered on top of silliness.
4. It was built as a single unit, instead of a series of overlapping builds of the same reactor design. This was because until March 2023, expanding French nuclear capacity was forbidden by law. So they couldn't legally build in a way that is efficient and effective.
The EPR2 project addresses this in a number of ways:
1. The EPR2 is dramatically simplified relative to the EPR.
2. The law was rescinded in March 2023, so they will be building six of them initially, in batches of 2, with overlap between all the units. 8 more are planned for later.
3. They are making much more realistic assumptions at the start
I am not sure how you can claim that the EPR2 program is "a shambles" when they haven't begun building in earnest yet and are explicitly addressing most if not all the issues with FV3. Seems a tad premature.
Of course nuclear is one of the things that is financing the French state and industry, with EDF returning massive profits to its owner (the state) and the ARENH program subsidizing industry.
And the ones recently started, like the Darlington SMR also have near equal costs before they have even started building.
I love the blind belief. Just another aboslutely bonkers handout of tax money and it will be solved!
Which is why the EPR2 project is getting more delayed and more costly by every update released.
Existing nuclear power might be cost neutral. The problem is building new.
Yes, because we stopped building. Once we start building again, those problems go away by themselves.
And no, the handout of tax money you complain about is to intermittent renewables, not to nuclear. Exactly the reverse of your claims. Just look at the EDF financial reports. Nuclear produces profits that are returned to their owner, despite having to finance ARENH.
Oh, of course EDF does receive state subsidies. For their intermittent renewables projects. Ba-da-dumm-tss.
Same in Germany: renewables are subsidized in production with around €20 billion per year just for the EEG, never mind the feed-in priority they get that lets them shunt the massive problems of their intermittency onto the other suppliers. That's probably worth more. Oh, and the preferential loan conditions and reduced regulatory burden etc.
Nuclear power in Germany never got a single cent for production. And had to account for all the sorts of costs others get to externalize, such as waste.
So once again: exactly the opposite of your claims.
The problem is not building new. The problem is building the first new.
For evidence of this, just look to China: they also built FOAK AP-1000 (Vogtle) and EPR (FV3, HPC).
And lo-and-behold: their FOAK versions of these also took around 10 years to build, whereas China typically builds in 5, so twice as long. In absolute terms they were a little faster, because they actually have industrial experience with nuclear (currently building 20+ reactors, lots more planned), the thing that needs to be rebuilt in Europe and the US.
Nowadays, they are building their NOAK AP-1000s in 5 years, for $3.5 bn. They didn't go for more EPR, as the AP-1000 is a better design. The EPR also hasn't won any of the recent tenders for nuclear reactors, for example in Poland (AP-1000) and the Czech Republic (South Korean APR-1400)
So to repeat: the problems with FOAK builds are well-known, as are the ones with building up nuclear expertise in a country. These go away by themselves once you build a number plants, preferable of the same design. The problems with the EPR design go away once you stop building EPRs.
Now these are actual facts.
Whereas all you've come up with is empty slogans and emotional fantasies.
Then trying to justify it with paid off nuclear plants.
So it will be profitable sometime in 2060? Until then we should just persist with horrifyingly expensive electricity as they get paid off?
That sounds like a lunatic talking.
There’s no feed in priority. Renewables just bid zero which is their marginal cost. Nuclear power bids negative until prices are so low for so long that they withdraw from the grid.
You can try to force nuclear costs on the consumers but that will only lead to an explosion of rooftop solar and home storage.
I also love how everything becomes ”FOAK” when you need to justify the boondoggles.
Apparently reactor 5 and 6 of the EPR line is now ”First of a Kind”. That does not seem very logical to me.
You know that nuclear power as a share of the Chinese grid is backsliding? They also keep pushing their targets further into the future and lowering them.
And South Korea then withdrew from all other bids in Europe after the settlement with Westinghouse.
The Polish AP-1000 lands somewhere around €180/MWh when considering all costs and subsidies.
Then you blather on about FOAK while making it blindingly obvious that you are in over your head. You do know that we have research on it rather than you making up ”facts”?
> If you look at the data specifically you're going to find learning but for that there's a several requirements:
> - It has to be the same site
> - It has to be the same constructor
> - It has to be at least two years of of gap between one construction to the next
> - It has to be constant labor laws
> - It has to be a constant regulatory regime
> When you add these five you only get like four or five examples in the world.
From a nuclear energy professor at MIT in the Decouple nuclear power industry podcast, giving an overly positive but still sober image regarding the nuclear industry as it exists today.
But that is something a trillion dollars in a handout will fix! Any day now! They'll start paying it back.... never!
Insanity.
You keep posting this talking point, despite the fact that it is patently untrue, and in fact the reverse is true.
Please stop.
While of course still being unable to compete on marginal price leading to them being forced out of the market regularly.
Just another trillion in handouts to get there! When will they get paid back? Never!
Complexity-wise they're about halfway between gas and coal.
The plant and equipment required to maintain a stable nuclear reaction and extract its heat is far more complex than that required to control a coal or natural gas firebox.
This is reflected in the fact that to run 1GW of nuclear generation, on average (in the US) requires about 700 FTE to operate. The average for coal generation is about a third of that number. And the average for a combined cycle gas plant is about 60 FTE.
And nuclear fission produces low-grade heat - around 320°C - compared to coal (around 550°C) or natural gas (over 1300°C). Thus are less thermally efficient and require huge cooling towers and much larger turbines to extract the thermal energy. Which, of course, are more expensive and complex to build and maintain.
Of course nuclear is much more complex as a whole, because it comes with at least two, sometimes three different business sections attached by default: Production and sale of rare isotopes, on-site laboratories and research and recycling of spent fuel.
It's hard to beat gas. The small double digit MW plant in my town literally has only one on-site full-time employee. My guess the only reason the FTE hits even 60 (didn't check) is because there are so many small installations.
Coal has a lot of fuel processing on-site just for its own demand, the mostly very sensible environmental regulations add a lot of complexity to processing the flue gasses and this adds A LOT of moving parts.
Nuclear can be built simple enough that people are literally thinking about dropping it down a mile deep hole, barely the width of a US-standard human. On the "hands off" scale it can't beat gas, barely anything but solar, geothermal and nuclear thermal electric can, but it could beat coal and hydro and possibly even wind via scale. Just how often should one have to send a report to some oversight body on the number of functional overhead lights and whether the change in microclimate didn't displace any rare insect species before one can say: "You didn't read the last 20, you're not getting another one."
That misses my point. Managing fuel and waste is more complex for nuclear. Producing heat using a nuclear reactor is more complex than producing it with coal and gas. And extracting useful energy from the heat is also more complex (given the low-grade heat that reactors provide).
At every step of the way you have more complexity in engineering and operations.
These engineering realities are independent of the regulatory environment or other activities occurring around the plant.
3 is 7x over budget and 12 years late on a 5 year construction program.
The EPR2 program is in absolute shambles.
Currently they can’t even agree on how to fund the absolutely insanely bonkers subsidies.
Now targeting investment decision in H2 2026. And the French government just fell because they are underwater in debt and have a spending problem which they can’t agree on how to fix.
A massive handout to the dead end nuclear industry sounds like the perfect solution!
The future is solar simply because these electricity catchers from the sky fusion are mass producible goods that you can just keep pumping and pointing it to the sky in matter of days at dirt cheap prices.
Or we could treat nuclear rationally and stop increasing the price three orders of magnitude past diminishing returns..
Who is we here? Do you have examples of any countries having successfully done what you are proposing?
All this is to say that if there are high costs imposed by regulation, it's not the regulatory process it's in the cost of building the final design.
However, the "regulations make nuclear expensive" folks never seem to be able to propose the changes that might make nuclear cheaper, or by how much. The only concrete proposals I have heard are from people skeptical that nuclear can ever be cost competitive!
Does it really matter? There’s always a first country to do anything.
It makes no sense actual exposure to radiation is increasing because of the lack of nuclear plants…
France pre 21st century, China, Korea, Poland.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/04/22/136020/how-greed...
China is barely building nuclear power. In terms of their grid mix it is backsliding.
Poland haven’t built any so noconfirmed numbers yet?
The bit they always say quietly is that you need nuclear reactors to provide the material for nuclear weapons.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2023/02/03/the-long...
"Published on February 3, 2023"
Since then, in 2023 and 2024 EDF posted over 10 billion a year profits.
It was always a public/nationalized company. It started 100% owned by the government. In the 2000s, around 15% were sold to pension funds, so way over 80% in the hands of the state, which by EU rules (and common sense) makes it a state company.
The floating shares were bought back in order to facilitate the nuclear expansion plans.
The losses in 2022 were largely due to the energy crisis because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which interacted rather nastily with the French ARENH program that requires EDF to sell 25% of its power output for 4 cents/kWh, no matter what the market rates. And no matter if it needs that power itself.
When the energy crunch hit in 2022, wholesale electricity rates rose up to €1 / kWh. So EDF had to sell its electricity for 4 cents, then buy it back at 25x markup for €1.
Oh, and the government actually increased the ARENH quotas to more than 25%, because it used EDF to subsidize consumer/industry energy prices, something that was done by the states directly in other countries.
The problems with a part of the fleet, largely due to deferred maintenance during COVID, also didn't help.
they are doing reviews every 10 year, and as they get older they can increase the frequency of reviews.
also the article mentions no dangers with regards to the reactors.