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by gruez5 hours ago |
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upvoteby amanaplanacanal5 hours ago|
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Being opposed to antifa because some of the people using the label are violent seems to be painting with an overly broad brush.
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upvoteby ToValueFunfetti5 hours ago|
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I know we're not supposed to talk about it, but what in the world is happening to this site? Mistaking 'Antifa' for 'the concept of opposing fascism' is not the kind of failure mode I expect here. And this kind of thing has become endemic lately- emotive noise and sarcastic dunks drowning out substance in every thread, especially since the beginning of December. Or am I just imagining this?
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upvoteby wat100003 hours ago|
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What is Antifa, then?
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upvoteby GuinansEyebrows5 hours ago|
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> Mistaking 'Antifa' for 'the concept of opposing fascism'

that's literally what it means in theory and in practice

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upvoteby ToValueFunfetti5 hours ago|
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'The concept of opposing fascism' doesn't mean anything in practice. You have to implement practice around it, you can't just literally do a concept!
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upvoteby otikik3 hours ago|
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Fighting fascist is the primary way to oppose them. The fighting bit often requires violence. That's what it takes, because it involves fighting a group of people that are not a peaceful bunch and have very violent intentions.
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upvoteby ToValueFunfetti2 hours ago|
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Yes, exactly my point. And once you are picking targets and taking violent actions, you can no longer excuse your aim and your violence by saying your heart is in the right place. Antifa has, for many decades, done wrong actions with good intentions. You can oppose them without being fascist.
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upvoteby GuinansEyebrows5 hours ago|
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you say that as if people are not actively physically opposing fascism in deed in the united states right now!
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upvoteby ToValueFunfetti3 hours ago|
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By physically opposing fascism, I assume you mean they are taking specific practical actions rather than becoming one with the platonic concept of opposition to fascism.

It may seem an obvious or insignificant point, but it is critical here. If they physically oppose fascism by following and filming ICE, I'm very much on board. If they oppose it by molotoving innocent local government buildings, I am against. If both of these actions are the concept of opposing fascism, what does it mean to be against that?

Antifa are belligerants. They undermine protests by having the maturity to die for a cause but not to live for one. One can be against that without being fascist.

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upvoteby watwut5 hours ago|
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> Approximately nobody is against "antifa" because they're fighting "fascists".

So, I will say that far right, comservatives and fascists are against anti-fascism of any kind. Whether it is the boogeyman antifa or anything else. And there are a lot of people like that. Including in goverment.

They do take issue with anyone who openly opposes fascism.

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