I'm yet to see someone complain about systemd and Wayland in the same comment, or even comment chain for that matter, which does scan, given how they have diametrically opposed philosophies to things. The Venn diagram of people who dislike and Wayland and systemd are probably not quite two separate circles, but I can't imagine the overlap is very large. I actually like systemd a fair bit, since it seems to do its job pretty well. I've seen people have problems with it, but most of the opposition to it are on philosophical grounds rather than about matters of functionality, whereas with Wayland, the opposite is the case.
It would be like if Linux used to include a bundled web browser in the kernel and they decided to split it off in to a user space app which comes preinstalled on the distro. And then people complain because now the kernel doesn't have a web browser and in theory a distro could exist which doesn't have one.
Xorg was bloated with a kitchen sink of features which have now been broken out into separate projects which are still included out of the box when you install a normal non minified distro.
You say that, but your anecdote is no more true than anyone else's. Or maybe other people just have different needs to you and the others for whom Wayland seems to work fine, and those needs are in conflict with the state of Wayland today.
Not to mention there are people in this very thread telling people to not recommend Debian to newcomers for fairly good reasons.[1] If I should use Debian because Wayland works fine there, but then I shouldn't use Debian because my new-ish GPU doesn't work well with it, or whatever other reason I'd rather not use Debian, then that translates into 'don't use Linux'.
> The complaint here is that the projects or layers that implement the features have changed.
Which is a reasonable complaint when that results in missing functionality compared to what was before.
> It would be like if Linux used to include a bundled web browser in the kernel and they decided to split it off in to a user space app which comes preinstalled on the distro. And then people complain because now the kernel doesn't have a web browser and in theory a distro could exist which doesn't have one.
People aren't complaining because there in theory could be Wayland implementations which lack functionality. They're complaining because the Wayland implementations which are used in distros today lack functionality they use which was present when they used X. They don't want to use a Wayland implementation which doesn't have
> Xorg was bloated with a kitchen sink of features which have now been broken out into separate projects which are still included out of the box when you install a normal non minified distro.
I'll take a bloated kitchen sink that works over a normal sink that randomly sprays water in my face.
Still waiting for drag-and-drop to not be broken on Plasma.[2] I doubt it's hitting everyone, since then there would be work happening to fix it, but it still seems to be making the rounds every now and then.[3] The problem doesn't seem to be the distro having been cut down to the bone, at least to me. I've heard a non-trivial amount of Wayland problems from Ubuntu and CachyOS users. Ubuntu is by no means minified, and although CachyOS is, it's one of the more popular distros and one people seem to like, so random Wayland problems should trickle up and generate bug reports and fixes to the point that people shouldn't be having significant issues any more.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46966439
[2] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484018
[3] https://old.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1qk1lh8/kde_654_waylan...