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> JS is as fundamental to current design as CSS.

I think this hits the crux of the trend fairly well.

And is why I have so many workarounds to shitty JS in my user files.

Because I can't see your CSS, either.

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Yet you use CSS on your own website?
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Yup. I do. And JS, too.

Because neither are _required_ for anything. There is a well-specified data tree.

Progressive enhancement is not some sign of conflict in my reasoning. It is a demonstration of it.

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There are many reasons to accommodate non-JS users beyond accommodating people who have intentionally disabled it, and most of them are in accessibility territory.

Be careful with using percentages for your arguments, because this is not that different from saying that 99.99% of people don't need wheelchair access.

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This used to be true, but now I don't think it is anymore. Modern frameworks and modern screen readers have no issue with acessibility.

Some survey from WebAIM found that 99.3% of screen reader users have JavaScript enabled.

So... are they really in accessibility territory still? Only people I still see complaining about Javascript being required are people that insist the web should just be static documents with hyperlinks like it was in the early 90s.

Can you find a modern source with valid reasons for accomodating non-JS users?

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the recent google report claimed that less than 0.1% of users have javascript disabled ... like for every website, or just some, or?

your PNG/GIF thing is nonsense (false equivalence, at least) and seems like deliberate attempt to insult

> I'm marginally sympathetic

you say that as if they've done some harm to you or anyone else. outside of these three words, you actually seem to see anyone doing this as completely invalid and that the correct course of action is to act like they don't exist.

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It would be literally impossible to know whether a user disabled JavaScript on another site, so I'm going to say that they meant that for their own sites.

> you say that as if they've done some harm to you or anyone else.

I was literally responding to someone referring to themselves as "collateral damage" and saying I'm playing into "Big Adtech's playbook". I explained why they're wrong.

> the correct course of action is to act like they don't exist.

Unless someone is making a site that explicitly targets users unwilling or unable to execute JavaScript, like an alternative browser that disables it by default or such, mathematically, yes, that's the correct course of action.

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