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by stackghost4 hours ago |
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upvoteby duskwuff3 hours ago|
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> Things like [...] are now considered table stakes.

One other feature that's absolutely considered table stakes now is persistent server-side history, with the ability to edit and delete messages. Modern chat services are less like IRC, and more like a web forum with live updates.

(Yes, you can poorly emulate server-side history on IRC with a bouncer. That's not enough, and it's a pain for users to set up.)

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upvoteby wolvoleo3 hours ago|
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There's also quassel which solves the problem a bit like a bouncer but it's way more integrated, it just loads the scrollback on demand instead of just banging the latest 200 lines into my buffer when I connect. Solves the problem perfectly IMO and there's a really excellent android client.
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upvoteby duskwuff3 hours ago|
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It's still not server-side history, though - you can't join a channel and see what happened before you joined, or edit a message you've already sent. It's just a slightly cleaner implementation of an IRC bouncer.
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upvoteby wolvoleo3 hours ago|
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Hmm no but that's usually a good thing. I've had some late night chats where I knew all the other people around and it would not be so cool if anyone else could just join and scroll back to it.

In fact this is the reason some irc networks blocked matrix bridges at first (they now have settings to disable this)

I'm not saying mainstream people should use IRC though. Matrix is better for that.

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upvoteby duskwuff3 hours ago|
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It's situational. In a lot of contexts, especially in large public chats, being able to see history when you join is perfectly fine and good.

Telegram lets group admins choose whether members can see history from before they join, which is the perfect solution (IMO).

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upvoteby stackghost1 hours ago|
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>One other feature that's absolutely considered table stakes now is persistent server-side history, with the ability to edit and delete messages.

Indeed.

Ergo offers server-side history but I'm not sure it supports edit/delete yet.

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