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by ofalkaed14 hours ago |

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by Pay0814 hours ago|

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I think you meant to say Jai, not Zig.

by pjmlp14 hours ago|

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Good luck with that, it is basically Modula-2 with C like syntax, and we aren't even getting into the whole ecosystem that it is missing on.

Any C++ or C replacement will need to win the earths of mainstream OS and game console vendors, otherwise it will remain yet another wannabe candidate.

Those have already their own languages, alongside their own C and C++ compilers, and are only now starting to warm up to Rust.

Zig or any other candidate will have a very hard time being considered.

by ofalkaed14 hours ago|

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So no one should even try because they will never win over all of the C/C++ crowd so are doomed to fail and forever to be a wannabe? I think Andrew has gone about things in a good way, going back to C and exploiting hindsight, not trying to offer everything as quickly as possible. Extend C but keep C interoperability and do both better than C++ instead of trying to be the next big thing and he goes about it in a very deliberate and calculated way. He may not succeed, but the effort has given us a great deal.

by pjmlp13 hours ago|

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One should try, while being aware of the realities of language adoption.

I disagree Zig is that great deal of a language, it would have been if we were talking about 1990's programming language ecosystem, not in 21st century.

Use-after-free problems should not be something we still need to worry about, when tooling like PurifyPlus trace back to 1992.

by ofalkaed13 hours ago|

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I don't think Andrew believes Zig is going kill C or C++, he probably has hope but I think he is aware of the reality. He found a way to make a living on something he was passionate about.

Use-after-free is a fact of life until something kills C, but the realities of language adoption are against that. Zig seems interesting and worthwhile in offering a different perspective on the problem and does it in a way more agreeable than Rust or the like for all those who love C and are adverse to large complex languages. The realities of language adoption are as much for as against Zig, large numbers of people are still getting drawn to C and Zig seems to do a better job addressing why so many are drawn to it than the alternatives.

by pjmlp12 hours ago|

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For that to matter OS vendors that only care about C on their platforms, have to also care about Zig.

Otherwise the only users are going to be the ones happy to do some yak shaving instead of the actual application code with the vendor tools.

It also ignores that C doesn't stand still, the competition is C2y, not C89.