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Assume the legislation is trying to reduce a real problem. Why does that problem exist if that incentive is actually really strong in practice?

I assume it's not actually a really strong incentive in context.

by ch4s36 hours ago|

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> Assume the legislation is trying to reduce a real problem

Why assume that? Could you not imagine that legislation is often meant to signal values to voters as much or more than it is intended to solve real problems.

by grayhatter3 hours ago|

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> Why assume that? Could you not imagine that legislation is often meant to signal values to voters as much or more than it is intended to solve real problems.

You mean something like, to signal to voters they're trying to solve a problem voters want changed? Or a problem voters say they have?

I didn't mean to imply it would fix the problem, or that the problem would be fixed. Just that there's desire for [thing targeted], is something enough people would want to change.

I also said "assume that" for the sake of the argument/discussion given you started by saying you didn't understand. I say it's trivial to understand if assume there are other incentives where destroying the product is desirable. Thus making the incentive you mentioned, not very strong, (in context).

by ch4s32 hours ago|

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EU regulations aren’t set by people who are directly elected though, so the incentives are really weird. It seems like largely a non-problem, the likes of which gets obsessed over by the types of also ran politicians who end up as members of the European Parliament or filtering into the Brussels bureaucracy.

Call me when they stop buying Russian gas.

by JasonADrury6 hours ago|

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A factory might have a minimum order quantity of 10000 units for a product. The products cost $1 landed.

You know you can sell 4000 of those products for a total of $15k.

This might become a bad deal if dealing with the 6000 extra units costs you money.

by em-bee6 hours ago|

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maybe this will force factories to change their process. with manufacturing getting cheaper, smaller batches become affordable. at the extreme we can now print books on demand, and improved 3D printing allows one-off items in many more areas. that's the trend we need to push. to get away from wasteful mass production.

by wahnfrieden2 hours ago|

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Push how? Through regulation? Unclear how else you’d achieve this if it is still worse economically. Buyers don’t want to pay more either.

by em-bee2 hours ago|

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through demand at first. clothes designers are hopefully going to demand smaller batches to avoid getting punished for overproducing. but if that doesn't work, then yes, maybe regulation is necessary. tricky though because manufacturing is often outside of the EU.

overproduction needs to be made more uneconomical than smaller batches. if that is really the issue. i really doubt that large batches of production are actually the problem here.

by wahnfrieden1 hours ago|

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How much longer do you wait to see if demand solves it? It hasn't. The problem has gotten worse

by randomNumber77 hours ago|

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You can produce so little people take anything you give them - like it was in the Soviet union.

by wahnfrieden6 hours ago|

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Clothing has a huge profit margin (when manufactured overseas) especially at the higher end (for brands which do not invest in local production, which is most, because it is also hard to beat Chinese quality). It's better for these brands to over-produce on some items and lose the low-cost inventory, than to under-produce and not meet market demand, to not offer a range of sizes and varieties to meet individual taste, and not achieve wide distribution that's necessary to grow market demand. That's why regulation is needed here.

by ch4s36 hours ago|

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I get he economics, but I don’t think it follows that it’s a problem governments need to involve themselves in.

by wahnfrieden2 hours ago|

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What’s your big idea

by ch4s31 hours ago|

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Do nothing here, because it’s probably not a real problem. There’s opportunity cost in spending time on nonsense.