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Information is being erased from Google right now. Things which were searching few years ago are totally not findable at all now. One who controls the present can control both the future and the past.

by Zetaphor2 hours ago|

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Did you know that you can do additional fine-tuning on this model to further shape its biases? You can't do that with proprietary models, you take what Anthropic or OpenAI give you and be happy.

I'm so tired of seeing this exact same response under EVERY SINGLE release from a Chinese lab. At this point it's starting to read more xenophobic and nationalist than having anything to do with the quality of the model or its potential applications.

If you're just here to say the exact same thoughtless line that ends up in triplicate under every post then please at least have an original thought and add something new to the conversation. At this point it's just pointless noise and it's exhausting.

by lollobomb1 hours ago|

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That is not really true, or at least it's very difficult and you lose accuracy. The problem is that the definition of "Open Source AI" is bollocks since it doesn't require release of the training set. In other words, models like Qwen are already tuned to the point that removing the bias would degrade performance a lot.

Mind you, this has nothing to do with the model being Chinese, all open source models are like this, with very few niche exceptions. But we also have to stop being politically correct and saying that a model trained to rewrite history is OK.

by soulofmischief1 hours ago|

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Asking if a model censors the nature or existence of horrific atrocities is absolutely not xenophobic or nationalist. It's disingenuous to suggest that. We should equally see such persistent questioning when American models are released, especially when frontier model companies are getting in bed with the Pentagon.

I don't understand your hostile attitude; I've built things with multiple Chinese models and that does not preclude me or anyone else from discussing censorship. It's a hot topic in the category of model alignment, because recent history has shown us how effective and dangerous generational tech lock-in can be.

by Zetaphor32 minutes ago|

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> We should equally see such persistent questioning when American models are released, especially when frontier model companies are getting in bed with the Pentagon.

Yes, we should! And yet we don't, and that is exactly why I am so tired of seeing the exact same comment against one nation state and no others. If you're going to call out bullshit, make sure you're capable of smelling your own shit as well, otherwise you just come across as a moral tourist.

We all know the model is going to include censorship. Repeating the exact same line that was under every other model release adds nothing to the conversation, and over time starts to sound like a dog whistle. If you're going to create a top level comment to discuss this, actually have an original thought instead of informing everyone that water is wet, the sky is blue, and the CCP has influence over Chinese AI companies.