Does the arc-agi-2 score more than doubling in a .1 release indicate benchmark-maxing? Though i dont know what arc-agi-2 actually tests
replyTheoretically, you can’t benchmaxx ARC-AGI, but I too am suspect of such a large improvement, especially since the improvement on other benchmarks is not of the same order.
replyhttps://arcprize.org/arc-agi/1/
replyIt's a sort of arbitrary pattern matching thing that can't be trained on in the sense that the MMLU can be, but you can definitely generate billions of examples of this kind of task and train on it, and it will not make the model better on any other task. So in that sense, it absolutely can be.
I think it's been harder to solve because it's a visual puzzle, and we know how well today's vision encoders actually work https://arxiv.org/html/2407.06581v1
Benchmark maxing could be interpreted as benchmarks actually being a design framework? I'm sure there are pitfalls to this, but it's not necessarily bad either.
replyFrancois Chollet accuses the big labs of targeting the benchmark, yes. It is benchmaxxed.
replyDidn't the same Francois Chollet claim that this was the Real Test of Intelligence? If they target it, perhaps they target... real intelligence?
replyHe's always said ARC is a necessary but not sufficient condition for testing intelligence afaik
replyI don't know what he could mean by that, as the whole idea behind ARC-AGI is to "target the benchmark." Got any links that explain further?
replyThe fact that ARC-AGI has public and semi-private in addition to private datasets might explain it: https://arcprize.org/arc-agi/2/#dataset-structure
replyI assume all the frontier models are benchmaxxing, so it would make sense
replyThe touted SVG improvements make me excited for animated pelicans.
replyI just gave it a shot and this is what I got: https://codepen.io/takoid/pen/wBWLOKj
replyThe model thought for over 5 minutes to produce this. It's not quite photorealistic (some parts are definitely "off"), but this is definitely a significant leap in complexity.
Good to see it wearing a helmet. Their safety team must be on their game.
replyYes but why would a pelican need a helmet? If it falls over it can just fly away...
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replyObviously these domestic pelicans can't fly, otherwise why would they need a bike?
replyWhy would a pelican be riding a bicycle at all, for that matter?
replyBecause the user asked for it
replyThat's a good pelican. What I like the most is that the SVG is nice and readable. If only Inkscape could output nice SVG like this!
replyLooks great!
replyHere's what I got from Gemini Pro on gemini.google.com, it thought for under a minute...might you have been using AI studio? https://jsbin.com/zopekaquga/edit?html,output
replyIt does say 3.1 in the Pro dropdown box in the message sending component.
The blog post includes a video showcasing the improvements. Looks really impressive: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/ge...
replyI imagine they're also benchgooning on SVG generation
replySVG is an under-rated use case for LLMs because it gives you the scalability of vector graphics along with CSS-style interactivity (hover effects, animations, transitions, etc.).
replyMy perennial joke is as soon as that got on HN front page Google went and hired some interns and they spend a 100% of the time on pelicans.
replyHow about STL files for 3d printing pelicans!
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