> just like LLM agents were a new layer on top of LLMs, Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents, taking the orchestration, scheduling, context, tool calls and a kind of persistence to a next level.
replyLayers of "I have no idea what the machine is doing" on top of other layers of "I have no idea what the machine is doing". This will end well...
Yeah, in the interest of full disclosure, while Claws seem like a fun toy to me, I tried ZeroClaw out and it was... kind of awful. There's no ability to see what tools agents are running, and what the results of those tools are, or cancel actions, or anything, and tools fail often enough (if you're trying to mind security to at least some degree) that the things just hallucinate wildly and don't do anything useful.
replyThe ZeroClaw team is focusing their efforts on correctness and security by design. Observability is not yet there but the project is moving very rapidly. Their approach, I believe, is right for the long term.
replyThere's a reason I chose ZC to try first! Out of all of them, it does seem to be the best. I'm just not sure that claws, as an overall thing, are useful yet. at least with any model less capable than Opus 4.6 — and if you're using opus, then whew, that's expensive and wasteful.
replyThe ZC PR experience is hard core. Their PR template asks for a lot of details related to security and correctness - and they check it all before merging. I submitted a convenience script that gets ZC rolling in a container with one line. Proud of that!
replyRegarding models, I’ve found that going with OpenRouter’s `auto` model works well enough, choosing the powerful models when they seem to be needed, and falling back on cheaper ones for other queries. But, it’s still expensive…
replyDepending on what you want your claw to do, Gemini Flash can get you pretty far for pennies.
> Layers of "I have no idea what the machine is doing" on top of other layers of "I have no idea what the machine is doing". This will end well...
replyI mean we're on layer ~10 or something already right? What's the harm with one or two more layers? It's not the typical JavaScript developer understands all layers down to what the hardware is doing anyways.
I will assume you know that comparison is apples and oranges. If you don’t, I’d be happy to explain.
replywhat people read: AI Scientist says blah blah blah claws is very cool. Buy Mac, be happy.
replyAnd yet wasn’t he one of the first to run it and was one of the many people to have a bunch of his data leaked?
replyYou're confusing OpenClaw and Moltbook there. Moltbook was the absurdist art project with bots chatting to each other, which leaked a bunch of Moltbook-specific API keys.
replyIf someone got hold of that they could post on Moltbook as your bot account. I wouldn't call that "a bunch of his data leaked".
Source on that? Hadn’t seen that
replyIndeed, via the related moltbook project that he was also hyping - https://x.com/theonejvo/status/2017732898632437932
replyDid you read the part where he loves all this shit regardless? That's basically an endorsement. Like after coined the vibe coding term now every moron will be scrambling to write about this "new layer".
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