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There is no special sauce, it's mass hysteria driven by fake adoption metrics and people who don't know anything about computers who let "agents" run free on theirs. It's the equivalent of showing a magician cut a women in a box in half to a 5 years old kid... Put them in the same category as the neckbeards getting a hard on every 3 weeks for the past 2 years when they get to see the new version of ThE PeLiCaN On A BiCyCle... I wonder how long the circus will keep on going, at least it's funny to witness from the outside
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They're "always" running, so they can notify you out of the blue, without you having to initiate a conversation. It's really nice UX to get a message from my assistant saying "hey, it's time to leave for the gym, and don't forget the supermarket bag because you're picking up milk on the way back, as you've run out".
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Dunno, my calendar reminds me "out of the blue", without me having to initiate a conversation, that it's time to leave for the gym, no "claw" or "ai" involved.

I always have my backpack with me, so if I need milk I can pick it up on the way back. And I am pretty sure that I have to notice if I need milk myself.

The tech sounds cool, but whenever I hear about actual applications, I don't see the point.

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That's because you just lack of imagination. Imagine if you have a human personal assistant, what would you ask them to do? Examples:

"Find me the cheapest ticket to Las Vegas for the first week of June. Buy one at anytime that you think is reasonable. Wait until no later than two months from now before buying. Get two tickets if my brother can also go".

"Email me if anyone posts a Sega multi mega for sale. But only if it's in black color".

I have no idea if OpenClaws can already do such a task or not, I don't have one, but it opens up new possibilities. If it isn't there yet, it will be.

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> Imagine if you have a human personal assistant, what would you ask them to do?

That’s kind of the confusing thing for me, I wouldn’t have a human personal assistant do anything for me as long as any money is on the line. I couldn’t teach them my preferences well enough to trust them to do it the way I want, instead of just doing it myself.

Personal assistants only make sense to me if you’re so rich that money doesn’t really matter to you anyways.

Your trip booking thing for example is something I would never give to a human assistant.

The alert for stuff on sale can already be done on the usual price tracking websites.

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If you don't have a need for a personal assistant, that's fine, not everyone does. That doesn't mean nobody does.

The milk thing was just an example of a tool that can intelligently combine things for you, not a literal "it's a calendar with a milk function".

This is a bit like "if I want to call my friends, I have a phone a home, why would I need a mobile?" which somewhat betrays a lack of imagination.

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You're just not providing any good examples of what I cant already do with current automation tools.
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My wife constantly asks me about adding books to her Kindle. I use Anna’s archive for this, but the process can be very annoying. I have to go to the site, search for the content. Filter by epub and English. Then download the content. Then send it to her Kindle email.

My openclaw now searches for the relevant content upon her request, sends the URL to a Stacks docker instance, monitors the Stacks instance for when the download completes, grabs the resulting epub from a local file share, then sends it to her kindle email. She doesn’t even send me the request anymore; she sends them straight to the Discord bot.

It also corrects our calendar every night. She often just through something on the calendar like “[son’s name] speech”, but we have speech appointments in either of two locations, and I have a strong preference for calendar items in the format “[person] - activity”. If she puts the city name with the speech appointments (“[son’s name] speech [town]”), openclaw reformats the title accordingly and adds the physical address of the speech therapy office we go to in that town. This means Apple Calendar sends us notifications when it’s time to leave, instead of just 30 mins prior.

I have a few others as well, but those are real world examples. Maybe they don’t matter for your use case, but they’re good for mine.

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Everything I’ve seen about it feels so over engineered
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Hmm, Google Gemini has access to my Google Tasks and can set reminders. It's also asked me if I want it to check something at "tomorrow 9am", and when I said yes, it managed to do that.
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Yeah, that's kind of like it. Agents just have many many more integrations, so they can do many more things. For example, it knows all my preferences, and can search for flights and say things like "this one is more expensive, but skipping the morning wakeup is worth the $20".
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But have you had consistently good experience with Google Gemini and Google apps? Or read the mixed reviews?

For me, Gemini has been hit or miss and somehow less useful than Assistant was 2+ years ago.

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The coding assistant for VSCode is nuts (i.e. gets it wrong a lot, also one time it just got so confused).

I have Gemini Pro for free for a year because I bought a Pixel phone, it answers very fast, so I like it. Let's see how I'll feel about shelling out real money when the subscription ends. But on the phone, I still use Assistant (and just have a shortcut to launch the webpage in my browser), because the phone was forcing Gemini, but after 5 minutes of usage I found it was slower for my usages (usually I just tell it to set an alarm and add a reminder/calendar event), and when I asked about my tasks, Gemini would get the task listing from Google Tasks, and keep it in its history... that'll pollute my chat history!

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Sorry to hear that.

I've had a similar deal. "Free" means included, and we are the beta testers!

In the last month, Gemini successfully persisted Google notes and calendar events. It also malfunctioned by adding these to chat context...(and not persisting to Google Calendar or Keep.)

Same commands. Different outcomes. It's unusable.

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I just tell CC to create a cron job systemd unit
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How would it know you've ran out of milk?
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I told it when I noticed. I made a little pendant with a mic I can speak into and it goes to the bot.
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I would love to hear more about this!
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I haven't written it up yet but the repo is here:

It's just a MEMS mic, a battery, and an ESP32, very simple but it works amazingly well. I wrote a companion Android app for it and it works extremely reliably!

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Are you running NanoClaw or a different project?
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Turns out Humane was ahead of its time.
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How do people afford this?
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Claude max $100 is way more usage than I need. And yeah its not running all the time, just has a heartbeat file telling it how to check something and run
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A subscription, really. It doesn't actually run all the time, it just has a cron job that makes it feel that way.
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It can schedule stuff and run in a loop, so it's like claude combined with cron. Truly amazing technology.
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Crons. A local daemon. System access as a user with the ability to listen to changes. Some idea of shared “memory” between sessions. Provider agnostic about AI. Multi-model.
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Can you elaborate on “listen for changes”? AFAIK it can’t do that and needs cron jobs to check.
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It's for people that don't know how or don't want to be bothered with setting up a messenger integration and a scheduler.
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they have a watchdog loop, it runs periodically
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There is no special sauce. They are claude or codex in a loop. The loop is facilitated by basic cron jobs. That's it.

Ai Agent as it has been for months, plus skills, plus a cron job to prompt it to do things every 20 minutes or 2 hours or however often you want.

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