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by small_model14 hours ago |
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upvoteby cheema3314 hours ago|
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> Tesla has overtaken them with multi camera and NN solution.

Let me guess, you heard this from Elon?

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upvoteby UltraSane14 hours ago|
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Your conclusion from a single incident is a bad inference. One vehicle getting confused by a puddle (likely a sensor fusion edge case or mapping artifact, not a fundamental LIDAR failure) doesn't indict the technology. Tesla's cameras have produces vastly more failures.

Waymo has driven tens of millions of autonomous miles with a serious injury/fatality rate dramatically lower than human drivers. The actual data shows the technology works. Tesla FSD still requires active driver supervision and is not legally or technically a robotaxi system. Comparing them as if they're at parity is wrong.

LIDAR gives direct metric depth with no inference required. Camera-only systems must infer depth from 2D images using neural networks, which introduces failure modes LIDAR doesn't have. Radar is very valuable when LIDAR and cameras give ambiguous data.

What metrics has Telsa overtaken Waymo? Deployed robotaxi revenue miles? No. Disengagement rates? No published comparable data. Safety per mile in driverless operation? No.

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upvoteby small_model13 hours ago|
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A Tesla wouldn't stop for a puddle. Also its not locked to a small geofenced area (people have driven coast to coast without a single intervention on FSD including parking spot to parking spot) when I can buy a Waymo vehicle that does this then Waymo would have caught up with Tesla.
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upvoteby jamespo13 hours ago|
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Wow, so it can cope with driving on the highway. That's the easy part.
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upvoteby UltraSane13 hours ago|
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Your puddle example is utterly irrelevant. Tesla's are notorious for phantom breaking. Robotaxis are very much locked to tiny geofenced areas. Some even shaped like a penis because Musk is such a child.

"people have driven coast to coast without a single intervention on FSD including parking spot to parking spot"

I find this claim very dubious. Prove it. Teslas never drive empty for a very good reason.

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upvoteby small_model12 hours ago|
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Err they have lots of Model Ys in Austin as Robotaxis right now with no drivers. I guess this is also 'dubious'. Look it's clear you have a huge bias I would urge you to read up on https://grokipedia.com/page/List_of_fallacies otherwise your emotional responses will blind you to reality.
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upvoteby moooo9910 hours ago|
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> Look it's clear you have a huge bias I would urge you to read up on https://grokipedia.com/page/List_of_fallacies otherwise your emotional responses will blind you to reality.

Writing this and linking to fake Wikipedia is actually hilarious.

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upvoteby UltraSane10 hours ago|
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"hey have lots of Model Ys in Austin as Robotaxis right now with no drivers"

They do not. They have a very small number of them open to a select number of people, not the general public. And they are limited to even smaller areas. You need to understand that Musk is NOT an engineer, he is more of a con man desperate to inflate tesla stock price. If he says self driving cars don't need LIDAR then they must actually need it.

https://futurism.com/future-society/polymarket-fortune-betti...

Polymarket user David Bensoussan has made $36,000 by betting against Musk's wildly optimistic self driving predictions.

linking to grokipedia feels like intentional rage-baiting.

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upvoteby small_model8 hours ago|
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Who should I believe a random poster on hackernews who has likely an average salary or Elon Musk who is the richest man in the world and create multiple trillion dollar companies......hard one!

Whats wrong with grokipedia its a bit less woke/far left wing, more balanced.

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upvoteby UltraSane2 hours ago|
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You are just mindlessly regurgitating the lies of Musk and using an "appeal to wealth" to justify not analyzing them. He has been lying about self driving since 2016.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2025/08/20/elon-mus...

https://futurism.com/leaked-elon-musk-self-driving

For nearly a decade Elon Musk has claimed Teslas can truly drive themselves. They can’t. Now California regulators, a Miami jury and a new class action suit are calling him on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono...

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