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by johnsimer9 hours ago |
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upvoteby jhasse5 hours ago|
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> Multiple citizens faced police raids, investigations, fines, or suspended sentences (jail risk if violated) for online posts calling Green politician Robert Habeck derogatory names like "idiot" or "moron," or sharing mocking memes [...]

The police raids were done because of the posted Nazi images, NOT because of the Habeck insults.

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upvoteby soco8 hours ago|
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And here we are again, spreading lies right?

Robert Habeck was NOT arrested, he and his friends were investigated in the broader case of neo-nazi propaganda which they were spreading as well. Unless you consider neo-nazi freedom of speech, of course.

The Pinocchio case meant exactly one official letter sent to that guy, lol "arrests". The investigation was dropped and everybody criticized the investigation.

Ricarda Lang case was a request to the well-known network Gab to identify who insulted the politician, because in Germany insults are a crime. Maybe in the US insulting is a popular free speech pastime, but this is not US. Gab refused to identify the person and that was that.

So, again, I can see when we are spreading lies to support some ideology, but they are just that: lies.

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upvoteby johnsimer6 hours ago|
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I did not spread any lies

^ I did not say Robert Habeck was arrested

Re the other cases: in a good democracy, insulting politicians should not be a crime and there should be no investigations for someone insulting a politician.

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upvoteby zapperdulchen5 hours ago|
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That is your POV. I fear that democracy erodes when there's insults, belittling, ... instead of exchange of arguments and the contest of ideas. Because at some point insults turn into ugly actions. Whether it's Charlie Kirk or Melissa Hortman.
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upvoteby soco2 hours ago|
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Where is that good democracy? This is not a rhetorical question.
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upvoteby tick_tock_tick3 hours ago|
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> Unless you consider neo-nazi freedom of speech

I mean that's why it's called free speech. Probably the most famous case the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) fought for was to make sure Nazi's could hold a rally and march through Skokie, Illinois, USA an area famous for being predominantly Jewish.

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