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by matsemann16 hours ago |
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upvoteby apexalpha15 hours ago|
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How can you look at the current support for Trump and conclude you would've won in the US by not supporting Israel?
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upvoteby Schmerika12 hours ago|
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Because polls before and after the election were crystal clear on this point.

Over 30% of Biden 2020 voters said arming genocide was going to affect their vote.

That's BIDEN VOTERS.

80% of Democrats wanted an arms embargo.

Arming Israel meant giving up millions of votes in swing states, in an election that was lost by extremely slim margins in those states.

And before you ask, it was also clear from polling that ending support to Israel would have cost nearly zero votes from her base.

And the reason the Harris campaign didn't know this is because they didn't want to know. Campaign staffers were instructed to mark anyone who raised Gaza as "no response". Attendees of the DNC conventions were literally plugging their ears and shielding their eyes from protests, or even laughing about them.

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upvoteby tdeck14 hours ago|
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Trump won by less than 50% of the vote and there are many polls that show the Biden administration's genocide was massively demotivating to democratic voters.
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upvoteby apexalpha14 hours ago|
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Supporting Hamas over Israel would've hurt more, probably.
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upvoteby matsemann13 hours ago|
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False dichotomy.
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upvoteby apexalpha13 hours ago|
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is it? Because 'that part' of the Democrats were fully in support of Hamas. Have you seen the University protests?

If the Dems caved to that they would've alienated 10 voters for every 1 student that might show up at the polls if it doesn't rain.

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upvoteby matsemann9 hours ago|
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Being against genocide doesn't mean one supports Hamas.

> student that might show up at the polls if it doesn't rain

Please don't do that. Your view of other people is quite sad.

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upvoteby apexalpha8 hours ago|
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These are statistics, not views of people. you can look up that certain groups rarely vote and other vote almost always.
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upvoteby bdangubic3 hours ago|
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You can’t participate in a reasonable and important discussions once you say that being part of the student protest meant supporting Hamas. It is a disqualifying statement from any discussion on this topic
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upvoteby orwin13 hours ago|
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You can also support neither.
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upvoteby robertoandred15 hours ago|
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Harris had all sorts of good things planned at home. It’s baffling to me that some voters thought it was more important to lose the election.
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upvoteby komali215 hours ago|
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Voters don't lose elections, campaigns do. Harris failed, and this kind of "turning around of the blame" thing that Dems try to do is one of the reasons why they don't win elections: they never learn.
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upvoteby bdangubic14 hours ago|
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you mean election, not elections, right? cause you know, 2018, 2020…
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upvoteby array_key_first7 hours ago|
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The reality is that Trump voters were (are?) dumb as rocks and tricked by simple populist messaging. There was nothing harris could've done short of succumbing to populism herself, and cloaking her campaign in dishonesty, fear, and simpleton reasoning.

Maybe she shouldve done that, but you can see why she didn't.

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