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by roryirvine12 hours ago |
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upvoteby JumpCrisscross12 hours ago|
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> I'd have been sympathetic to that argument up until a few hours ago

These are somewhat independent variables. America was open about the fact that we were trying diplomacy before force. Either, one or no sides could have been negotiating in good faith and still wound up here with that setup.

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upvoteby master_crab11 hours ago|
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No they weren’t. Trump cancelled the previous treaty and then wanted a new agreement more favorable to the US than JCPOA.

I don’t like the mullah’s in Iran anymore than the next person but no reasonable and sane person would take that to mean “negotiating in good faith.”

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upvoteby JumpCrisscross11 hours ago|
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> no reasonable and sane person would take that to mean “negotiating in good faith.”

Taken as a whole, Trump has not been negotiating with Iran in good faith. That does not mean that Iran has been negotiating in good faith.

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upvoteby master_crab11 hours ago|
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That’s not how life works.

If someone takes the first underhanded step, it’s not on the victim to make amends. Iran got burned on JCPOA. Whether we like them or not, you have to address that first before moving on to meaningful talks.

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upvoteby JumpCrisscross11 hours ago|
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> ran got burned on JCPOA. Whether we like them or not, you have to address that first before moving on to meaningful talks

Sure. I think it was probably politically impossible for Iran to negotiate in good faith. That doesn't change that they were not negotiating in good faith.

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upvoteby master_crab10 hours ago|
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You’re conflating good faith and acceding to the US’s new demands based on past behavior.
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upvoteby greenchair11 hours ago|
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no it doesn't "turn out that". They have a long history of hiding their nuke tech and lying while also issuing death threats to israel. Trust but verify doesn't work with this country.
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upvoteby JumpCrisscross11 hours ago|
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> Trust but verify doesn't work with this country

I mean, the JCPOA verify seemed pretty well thought out.

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