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by jascha_eng11 hours ago |
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upvoteby gruez10 hours ago|
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>I still kinda wish that the subscriptions would just allow you to use the tokens however you wish. I get that they rely on people not using all of their quota. But e.g. with open code it doesn't really matter if I use antigravity or gemini-cli the usage should be about the same.

This is almost as realistic as "I wish netflix or youtube allowed me to use VLC to watch their content".

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upvoteby nottorp10 hours ago|
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Haha maybe that would reduce piracy.

The easiest way to watch a movie in the player of my choice - even if i have legal access to it because it's in my netflix subscription - is to download it off piratebay.

Add to that Netflix's shitty discovery system, I'm pretty sure I watched some downloaded movies in spite of actually having legal access to them.

Oh, remember when PC games used to come on disks? For the Netflix example I can only guess, but I'm 100% sure I downloaded isos for games I had actually bought and had the physical disc... somewhere.

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upvoteby throawayonthe9 hours ago|
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i don't believe this is a significant driver of piracy tbh, normal people don't care about that kinda thing :P

especially considering most modern movie/tv piracy is free streaming websites - shitty quality and awkward player controls, definitely no choice of player here

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upvoteby raincole8 hours ago|
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This is almost as realistic as "I wish OpenAI supports using OpenCode with ChatGPT subscription account."

Oh, except they do[0].

[0]: https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2009742187484065881

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upvoteby NewsaHackO6 hours ago|
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Yea, there are the last to the party (have they even arrived?), so they are going to have to make some concessions. I wonder if they at rollout will have a third-party subscription token service in addition to their first-party one.
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upvoteby raincole6 hours ago|
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> there are the last to the party

Anecdotally, I'm having a very hard time imagining there are more Gemini Cli users than Codex users.

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upvoteby cyberax2 hours ago|
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> This is almost as realistic as "I wish netflix or youtube allowed me to use VLC to watch their content".

This is exactly what should be happening. There's no reason to limit the client apps for things like _paid_ Netflix or Youtube Premium.

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upvoteby smashah5 hours ago|
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Why is that unrealistic?

Think of it like the digital right-to-repair.

I pay for it, I get to use it with any client I want. Simple.

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upvoteby verdverm1 hours ago|
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Except that is a false equivalent, when you clicked "agree" you did so for their ToS to get a discount or bulk deal with strings attached. It's pretty easy these days to have a LLM extract the unique parts into a summary.
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upvoteby plagiarist9 hours ago|
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I do wish that though. I have given up on streaming services, I am not paying for this bullshit experience. We used to have all the content unlimited on one service for like $10/mo. I can accept prices increasing with inflation but society should not accept such a backslide in service quality.
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upvoteby ShroudedNight3 hours ago|
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I would take things somewhat further: I'd be happy to pay the equivalent of $20 2015 dollars for this service if it were comprehensive. Unfortunately, that might allow for a consumer surplus to occur in the viewing experience and the motion picture industry ties with maybe nVidia for peak pathological hostility to retail consumer surplus.
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upvoteby NitpickLawyer11 hours ago|
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> I get that they rely on people not using all of their quota

They have no problem with users using their quota on their own software. Because they get the signals. They do have a problem with users using the API in 3rd party software, because they don't get the signals.

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upvoteby falcor8411 hours ago|
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Well ... the clear signal is that people want to use Google's models but not Google products
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upvoteby theblazehen10 hours ago|
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Most people have actually just been using Opus through antigravity
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upvoteby falcor847 hours ago|
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That's very different from what I'm seeing around me, but yes, I suppose that happens to. And I guess Google wouldn't have as much of an issue with that, right?
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upvoteby theblazehen7 hours ago|
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Ah, in my spaces (Involved in the proxy dev), most people have been using it for Opus. I suspect they may even have more of an issue with it, as they don't get the cost advantage of serving an in-house model
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upvoteby xiphias28 hours ago|
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I don't really understand this reasoning actually:

if OpenClaw usage go up, and a service (OpenAI it looks like) gets lots of usage data for personal assistent usage, they can optimize to make it better for people who get a $200 subscription just because of that use case.

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upvoteby smashah5 hours ago|
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I turned off tracking on Antigravity. Do I deserve to get my account banned from a service I pay for now? Silly.
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upvoteby Analemma_11 hours ago|
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> But e.g. with open code it doesn't really matter if I use antigravity or gemini-cli the usage should be about the same.

This is not at all true. What is prompting this behavior from Google and Anthropic is that people are using their oauth creds/API keys to run OpenClaw bots that use orders of magnitude more tokens than the IDEs. The official clients also can use a lot more prompt caching because they have expected workflows.

And like, if you want to run OpenClaw, they’re not saying you can’t do that: use the API pricing, that’s what it’s for. But people are getting mad that they’re not allowed to roll their pickup truck up to the all-you-can-eat buffet table and fill it.

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upvoteby bluecalm7 hours ago|
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I think the deal is quite clear: subscription for personal usage in their products, API token for everything else. You get a rebate for subscription because they get the data. I would be quite sad if they removed the subscription option just to not be "anticompetitive".
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