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No, the real problem is that people keep giving LLMs the ability to take nontrivial actions without explicit human verification - despite bulletproof input sanitization not having been invented yet!

Until we do so, every single form of input should be considered hostile. We've already seen LLMs run base64-encoded instructions[0], so even something as trivial as passing a list of commit shorthashes could be dangerous: someone could've encoded instructions in that, after all.

And all of that is before considering the possibility of a LLM going "rogue" and hallucinating needing to take actions it wasn't explicitly instructed to. I genuinely can't understand how people even for a second think it is a good idea to give a LLM access to production systems...

[0]: https://florian.github.io/base64/

by woodruffw5 hours ago|

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Yep, this is essentially it: GitHub could provide a secure on-issue trigger here, but their defaults are extremely insecure (and may not be possible for them to fix, without a significant backwards compatibility break).

There's basically no reason for GitHub workflows to ever have any credentials by default; credentials should always be explicitly provisioned, and limited only to events that can be provenanced back to privileged actors (read: maintainers and similar). But GitHub Actions instead has this weird concept of "default-branch originated" events (like pull_request_target and issue_comment) that are significantly more privileged than they should be.

by hunterpayne3 hours ago|

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I agree but its only part of what is happening here. The larger issue is that with a LLM in the loop, you can't segment different access levels on operations. Jailbreaking seems to always be available. This can be overcome with good architecture I think but that doesn't seem to be happening yet.

by ntonozzi3 hours ago|

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IMO the core of the issue is the awful Github Actions Cache design. Look at the recommendations to avoid an attack by this extremely pernicious malware proof of concept: https://github.com/AdnaneKhan/Cacheract?tab=readme-ov-file#g.... How easy is it to mess this up when designing an action?

The LLM is a cute way to carry out this vulnerability, but in fact it's very easy to get code execution and poison a cache without LLMs, for example when executing code in the context of a unit test.

by crote2 hours ago|

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GHA in general just isn't designed to be secure. Instead of providing solid CI/CD primitives they have normalized letting CI run arbitrary unvetted 3rd-party code - and by nature of it being CD giving it privileged access keys.

It is genuinely a wonder that we haven't seen massive supply-chain compromises yet. Imagine what kind of horror you could do by compromising "actions/cache" and using CD credentials to pivot to everyone's AWS / GCP / Azure environments!

by eddythompson805 hours ago|

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There is nothing stopping Zapier from having a log4shell style vulnerability that exposes you to the same. The only difference is you're treating Zapier as a blackbox that you assume is secure, and any security issue is theirs and theirs alone. While with GHA you share that responsibility with GitHub. GitHub can screw up with a log4shell type exploit in how they handle the initial GHA scheduling too, but also you can have your own vulnerability in which ever arbitrary code you run to handle the trigger.

You can also do a lot more with GHA compared to waiting for Zapier to support your scenario. Plus most people I knew who used Zapier connected it to some Lambda or another webhook where they got the data from there and ran arbitrary code anyway.