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> As long as the penalties for data breach are a slap on the wrist and buying everyone one year of credit monitoring, no one will.

And, of course, that one year is totally useless when one is subject to multiple breaches per year. Throw in the fact that so many breaches aren't even with a company that affected individuals have a direct relationship with, and it becomes virtually impossible to fix this.

At this point, I'd be in favor of making any company that handles personal data pay in advance for the monitoring, and get refunded when they prove that that OR THEIR PROVIDERS haven't had a data breach.

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> I'd be in favor of making any company that handles personal data pay in advance

How about we start with some strict data privacy and handling laws? Make it so you straight up just can't collect & store personal information without proving that it's required and without it your business would not work (and no, data harvesting for advertising/marketing doesn't count).

Security is the problem, but it would be less of a problem if everyone wasn't trying to hoard as much data as possible from their customers for seemingly no reason at all. Take a scroll through the Play Store/App Store and look how many really simple apps request permissions for camera, microphone, location, local network, etc. for something like a metronome app that needs none of that.

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I froze all my credit way back in 2016 or so and have never regretted it, not once. I wonder how effective it is, as my credit limit keeps going up.
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The real riches are in starting a credit monitoring company. Vibe coded, of course, and if you have a data breach, then it's a perpetual motion machine.
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The fact that the average joe can't start their own credit monitoring company as competition and the incumbents get away clean everytime they screw up says a lot about "capitalism" as we practice it
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I think that's definitely true to a degree, but I think the think more companies are worried about is the reputational damage from the terrible press. Look at Solarwinds (not a data breach, but similar press around it). It erased hundreds of millions in shareholder value and the company was taken private at pennies on the dollar in the aftermath. There's real risk there.
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If only.

For every Solarwinds, there are hundreds of breaches that never get more that a cursory reporting (if that). And Solarwinds is still in business (and some would call "taken private at pennies on the dollar" as a feature not a bug, but I digress), as are vastly more consequential examples (Equifax, anyone?).

Yes...reputational damage is a thing, but in my experience (sitting in the decision making meetings, as a participant, many, many times in my career) it's a second-tier player at the end of the day. This is especially true of data breaches...I cannot count the number of times (in the last decade particularly) where the decision point was "What reputation damage? Everyone and their mother has had a data breach. No one cares.". I don't think they're wrong.

This, like many issues of security and risk, is the consequence of the vast majority of the customers not caring. How many users dropped Facebook in 2019, or LinkedIn in 2021 (or 2012)? How many swore off Ticketmaster? Marriott? Adobe? eBay? And that's just ungodly massive breaches. So why would the average business give a steaming crap?

In my dark little heart of hearts I sometimes think "what would it take for the average person to actually care", and then I realize what that looks like, and I don't sleep well for a couple of nights. Cheers!

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Solarwinds YOY Revenue is up $100 million since then so even Solarwinds didn't take that big of a hit.
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I think it's better to compare data breaches to data breaches, like when Adobe got breached. Or Oracle. Or Rockstar.

Nothing happened in the grand-scheme of things. Even after Oracle lied and pulled some shady tactics to downplay what happened.

A few years ago Crowdstrike took down the entire set of corporate computers and everyone still uses Falcon. There is simply no accountability anymore

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