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If you want to research someone's opinions before you engage with an unrelated blog post, like their positions during the plandemic (/s) five years ago, fine.

But we don't need the top HN comment giving vague trigger warnings about an author.

If you're going to attack the author as a top-level comment, at least attack concrete positions they hold so that others can respond instead of "he's stupid" and "he doesn't do the research".

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> They may not know that this dude was an anti-masker (with nuance) for example.

Why are we supposed to care about that? There was a time when "masks do not work" was very much the conventional wisdom.

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Masks didn't work for people needing an immediate cure, but it was never that, it always was a multiplier, and even an multiplier with only 30% efficiency would translate to 4x reduction in spread through 4 levels.

And that reduction was there to give healthcare workers a chance to not be overwhelmed as they were for a large part of the initial pandemic.

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There was literally never a time where mainstream medical advice was "masks do nothing".
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Public health recommendations aren’t medical advice though. The advice agencies give is given to everyone and so has to take things like supply chains and the economy into consideration before making recommendations.
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The title is >Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns.

Isn't being an anti-masker the opposite of this viewpoint? Literally saying, I only care about the returns for myself, even if creates negative value for others.

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Conventional for whom?
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I might be misremembering, but I think the WHO claimed this at some point?

It was obvious nonsense, and did not comfort me as I watched an avoidable catastrophe become, day by day, an unavoidable one; politicians caring more about pacifying the populace with platitudes than about taking measures to render SARS-CoV-2 extinct in the wild – measures which would have been several orders of magnitude cheaper than the extended pandemic lockdowns, disabilities and trauma, loss of life, and now a new disabling endemic disease we're going to have to fight the hard way, for centuries, until it can finally go the way of smallpox.

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There was an extremely brief period where public health advice discouraged the general population from masking. This was because there was a huge undersupply for medical workers and because we hadn't fully figured out whether covid aerosolized mere weeks into the pandemic.

Once we had a bit more information in a rapidly evolving situation public health advice switched to recommending masks and stayed that way for years.

We cannot possibly expect public health advice to get everything right immediately during a once-in-a-century pandemic and this error should definitely not be used as a general "wow public health officials are dumb idiots or engaged in a malicious conspiracy", as this error is often used.

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It's so we can definitively identify this person as a Nazi, as persona non grata, so we can feel better about ourselves while we break quarantine and contravene public health orders to get clandestine haircuts and attend illegal cross-household parties.

    So you must be careful to do everything they tell you.
    But do not do what they do, for they do not practice
    what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads
    and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they
    themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move
    them.

    Everything they do is done for people to see: They make
    their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their
    garments long; [...]
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Ad hominem attacks are never good approaches. They're irrational in nature. Ad hominem is one of the first fallacies taught in a critical thinking class.
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if ad hominem attacks were of no value, humans wouldn't have evolved the strong tendency to engage in them.

they are not proofs in logic, hence the fallacy, but that does not mean they are irrational. it's irrational to think that human discourse can be capture by logic.

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Isn’t rational a synonym for logical, though? People can subjectively rationalize their behavior, but that doesn’t make it objectively rational.
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Ad hominems are formal fallacies. They are not valid deductive reasoning.

But people basically never use valid deductive reasoning for anything. Using available evidence to make predictions about things and act on those predictions is fine. If somebody has a history of poor thought or writing and then I encounter more of their thoughts or writing it is not unreasonable to say "this new material is likely to be poor and I don't need to spend time on it."

If somebody says "hey do you want to see Transformers 7", responding "I did not like Transformers 1-6 so I'll pass" is fine even if it is not deductive proof that you won't like Transformers 7.

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> Not everyone knows who geohot is

But I guess people can get pretty much to the same conclusion by reading any of the blog post, I had the same idea just by reading the title here

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>They may not know that this dude was an anti-masker (with nuance) for example

If you're going to ad hominem, at least give a citation.

>As much as ad hominem attacks are not great approaches, the one scenario I feel it's justified

Because reasons?

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what's anti-masker?
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Some people thought that surgical masks wouldn’t stop you from getting Covid
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They didn't. The point is that they stop you from giving covid to other people.
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It's a distinction without a difference. Masks served to reduce the herd from spreading covid. Including other people giving it to you.
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The distinction is important! The mechanism by which surgical masks prevent you from getting COVID-19 is peer pressure: it's important for people to know this, so they know how to protect themselves. (And there are fitted masks that protect the wearer: there was just a shortage of them, because despite all the warnings we were not prepared for a pandemic.)
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You do realise that surgeons don't wear those masks to stop them from catching something right?
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> Some people thought that surgical masks wouldn’t stop you from getting Covid

You do realize that masks would help prevent you from getting covid if other people are wearing the masks, right?

The comment just talked about masks, not whether you are the one wearing the mask.

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Surgical masks don't stop you from getting Covid. That was never what they were for: they were to reduce the viral load you exposed others to, between when you got infected and when you noticed that you were infected. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgical_mask#Function.

Some cloth masks can (when dry) also trap small particulates through electrostatic interactions, although they are less effective as a mechanical filter than surgical masks; and many washing methods destroy this effect.

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Right, but that still makes the people who refused to wear one selfish assholes.
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Thank God I lived long enough to forget COVID-era terms.
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I'm taking, Covid-era anti-masker (?)
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