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If you are a “programmer” you are going to be the kids in the sweatshop. On the enterprise dev side where most developers work, it’s been headed in that direction for at least a decade where it was easy enough to become a “good enough” generic full stack/mobile/web etc dev.

Even on the BigTech side being able to reverse a btree on the whiteboard and having on your resume that you were a mid level developer isn’t enough either anymore

If you look at the comp on that side, it’s also stagnated for decade. AI has just accelerated that trend.

While my job has been at various percentages to produce code for 30 years, it’s been well over a decade since I had to sell myself on “I codez real gud”. I sell myself as a “software engineer” who can go from ambiguous business and technical requirements, deal with politics, XYProblems, etc

by pjmlp5 hours ago|

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What do you think programmers in offshoring consulting shops are? Sadly.

by raw_anon_11115 hours ago|

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Exactly. I work in a consulting company as a customer facing staff consultant - highest level - specializing in cloud + app dev. We don’t hire anyone less than staff in the US. Anything lower is hired out of the country.

That’s exactly my point. “Programming” was clearly becoming commoditized a decade ago.

by kennywinker47 minutes ago|

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Ah, so you’re happy with the sweatshop existing - and you look down on those who work there. Good to know.

by raw_anon_111123 minutes ago|

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I said nothing about looking down on them - I assure you developers in other countries don’t see themselves in sweatshop conditions.

But while you are clutching your pearls, where do you think your computer, clothes etc are being made?

by bdangubic16 minutes ago|

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I worked with developers from 6 other countries (the “america first” slogan of the ruling part is missing a fine print that should read “americans last”) and not only are they not in sweatshop conditions, most of them live like kings on salaries they are making and are more “white collar” in their country than most SWEs here