I think I agree with what you're getting at, though I usually phrase it differently: indirection is not abstraction. A good abstraction makes it easier to understand what the code is doing by letting you focus on the important details and ignore the noise. It does this by giving you tools that match your problem space, whatever it may be. This will necessarily involve some amount of indirection when you switch semantic levels, but that's very different from constantly being told "look over there" when you're trying to figure out what the code is saying.
replyAgree, and I would add that a bad abstraction, the wrong abstraction for the problem, and/or an abstraction misused is far worse than no abstraction. That was bugging me in another thread earlier today: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47350533>
replySomeone has worked too much on corporate Java Codebases.
replyI feel your pain. Everything is so convoluted that 7 layers down you ask yourself why you didn't learn anything useful...
Last time was a go shop, and let me tell you: that style mixes with go's error handling like spoiled milk and blended shit.
replyOh gee, thank you for this wrapped error result, let me try to solve a logic puzzle to see (a) where the hell it actually came from, and (b) how the hell we got there.
I’m familiar with spaghetti code and with lasagna code (too many layers) but I’m curious: what’s ravioli code?
replyEach part of the codebase is a separate self contained module with its own wrapping (boilerplate), except there's like 30 of them and you still have to understand everything as a whole to understand the behaviour of the system anyway.
replyThink of what ravioli are and apply that to the same code analogy as spagetti or lassagna. The code is split in tiny units and that creates too much indirection, a different indirection than spagetti or ravioli. The architecture feels fragmented even though there's nothing wrong with each piece.
replya ravioli is a b̶l̶a̶c̶k̶ beige box abstraction to which you pasta arguments interface usually after forking
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