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by pjc509 hours ago |
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upvoteby graemep7 hours ago|
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In the UK parents can give children alcohol below the age of 18. parents get to make the final decision at home so I do not think its really comparable.

I would personally favour allowing parents to buy drinks for children below the current limits (18 without a meal, 16 for wine, beer and cider with a meal).

The alternative to this is empowering parents by regulating SIM cards (child safe cards already exist) and allowing parents to control internet connectivity either through the ISP or at the router - far better than regulating general purpose devices. The devices come with sensible defaults that parents can change.

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upvoteby Mchat224 hours ago|
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upvoteby _heimdall9 hours ago|
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That steelman still stands on a core assumption that its both the state's responsibility and right to step in and parent on everyone's behalf.

Maybe a majority of people today agree with that, but I know I don't and I never hear that assumption debated directly.

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upvoteby gzread8 hours ago|
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The point of having a state at all is to create a framework where people are set up to succeed.
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upvoteby _heimdall7 hours ago|
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Where exactly are you getting that goal of a state from? Maybe that's one of the goals today, historically I don't think it was anywhere on the list.
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upvoteby heavyset_go8 hours ago|
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Everyone shouldn't have to lose their privacy just because you're too lazy to use parental controls or give your kids devices that are made for children.
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upvoteby gzread8 hours ago|
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Entering your child's age when you create their user account is a loss of privacy?
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upvoteby PeterisP7 hours ago|
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The current bills (e.g. NY one at https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/S8102/amendm... ) require age assurance that goes beyond mere assertions, so when creating your (adult) user account it would be required to give away your privacy to prove your age - if you can't implement a way for anonymous/pseudonymous people to verify that they indeed are adults (and not kids claiming to be so), these bills prohibit you to manufacture internet-connected systems that can be used by anonymous/pseudonymous users.
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upvoteby gzread6 hours ago|
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We are also talking about the Illinois one, which doesn't do that
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upvoteby antonvs3 hours ago|
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> I never hear that assumption debated directly.

The idea of the "nanny state" has been debated a lot, and this seems like a very literal example of that. But once some status quo is firmly entrenched, debate about it tends to die down because the majority of people no longer care enough about it.

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upvoteby edgyquant8 hours ago|
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Then frankly you haven’t seen many debates around age verification as it’s the main thing discussed every time it’s brought up
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upvoteby _heimdall7 hours ago|
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You are correct, I didn't pay close attention to any EU debates that may have happened, I haven't lived there in years. In the US I haven't seen much debate at all, regardless of the bill really we don't seem to have leaders openly and honestly debate anything.
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