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This reminds of a debate in the German parliament 30 years back or so, about the cost for the Eurofighter project (IIRC). Essentially one speaker had argued against the staggering cost, and a second speaker from the government defended the project by saying how many jobs it created. Someone shouted that building a pyramid in honor of Helmut Kohl and it would create a lot of jobs as well, that didn't mean it's a good idea.
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The Kohl pyramid vs Eurofighter is a funny but very poor example that isn't remotely comparable. Useless defence projects have the advantage that it keeps institutional know-how from being lost and ready for the time when war actually comes for you. That's why Europe has been left unprepared by the war in Ukraine and why the US is the defense powerhouse.
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The sentiment reminds me of the people who believe that having so much prosperity that people feel comfortable not working all year around... represents some terrible threat that must be vigorously resisted for the greater good! Think of what it would do to the poor metrics.

Literal overnight change might be too radical (although, frankly, I'd want to see some academic work on the matter because it sounds like it might work - typically the problem seems to be that the body politic tries every alternative but good policy first then blames the mess on freedom) but people who are scared of rapid improvement because they don't like change are a massive threat to human prosperity and really shouldn't be left in charge of anything important.

Delaying the industrial revolution was never a good choice at any point in human history. The potential gains from efficiency are unbelievably large.

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>not working all year around

Keeping people employed through inefficient bullshit jobs is better for the government than paying them to sit at home, since this way you have control over their livelihoods and their votes.

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In civilised places, the government is the people. And civilised people know they are the government.
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Like which places are those?

This is some idealist fairytale view that people like to believe in but doesn't actually exist.

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This is unnecessarily confrontational. The real point here is that there better functioning democracies than the US. They have faults, but Scandinavia and much of northern Europe (partially excluding the UK) much better approximates what you call a fairytale than a US perspective might allow you to believe. Trust in and satisfaction with government institutions in Scandinavia and Finland are much, much higher than in the US, and it's largely justified by their competence and delivery of public goods.
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>This is unnecessarily confrontational.

Why?

>but Scandinavia and much of northern Europe

That's like 3-5 out of 195 countries and only 0,3%-0,5% of the world's population. Being born there is like winning the lottery so maybe take that into consideration when arguing with such examples since that's not the norm. Like what are the odds that people you talk to online are part of that 0,5%? So who's the one being needlessly confrontational?

>Trust in and satisfaction with government institutions in Scandinavia and Finland are much, much higher than in the US

I don't care about the situation in the US since I don't live there. I'm talking from the perspective in Europe(not Scandinavia) where I can't say the democracy is representing or serving me. No law maker asked about the major decisions the EU made.

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> I'm talking from the perspective in Europe > > No law maker asked about the major decisions the EU made.

Idiot brexiteer talk...

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Did your mom teach you to talk like that?
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And they say there's no socialism in the US
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This is a sign of a broken system. It's the old joke about paying someone to smash windows and someone to repair them, how that's great for The GDP.
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