A common problem I noticed is that if you took certain courses in computer science, you may have a pre-conceived notion of how to parse programming languages, and the shell language doesn't quite fit that model

I have seen this misconception many times

In Oils, we have some pretty minor elaborations of the standard model, and it makes things a lot easier

How to Parse Shell Like a Programming Language - https://www.oilshell.org/blog/2019/02/07.html

Everything I wrote there still holds, although that post could use some minor updates (and OSH is the most bash-compatible shell, and more POSIX-compatible than /bin/sh on Debian - e.g. https://pages.oils.pub/spec-compat/2025-11-02/renamed-tmp/sp... )

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To summarize that, I'd say that doing as much work as possible in the lexer, with regular languages and "lexer modes", drastically reduces the complexity of writing a shell parser

And it's not just one parser -- shell actually has 5 to 15 different parsers, depending on how you count

I often show this file to make that point: https://oils.pub/release/0.37.0/pub/src-tree.wwz/_gen/_tmp/m...

(linked from https://oils.pub/release/0.37.0/quality.html)

Fine-grained heterogenous algebraic data types also help. Shells in C tend to use a homogeneous command* and word* kind of representation

https://oils.pub/release/0.37.0/pub/src-tree.wwz/frontend/sy... (~700 lines of type definitions)

Author here, and yeah, I agree. I skipped writing a parser altogether and just split on whitespace and `|` so that I could get to the interesting bits.

For side-projects, I have to ask myself if I'm writing a parser, or if I'm building something else; e.g. for a toy programming language, it's way more fun to start with an AST and play around, and come back to the parser if you really fall in love with it.

Can say the same for control characters in terminals. I even think maybe it's just easier to ditch them all and use QT to build a "terminal" with clickable urls, something similar to what TempleOS does.

Yup, job control is a huge mess. I think Bill Joy was able to modify the shell, the syscall interface, and the terminal driver at the same time to implement the hacky mechanism of job control. But a few years later that kind of crosscutting change would have been harder

One thing we learned from implementing job control in https://oils.pub is that the differing pipeline semantics of bash and zsh makes a difference

In bash, the last part of the pipeline is forked (unless shopt -s lastpipe)

In zsh, it isn't

    $ bash -c 'echo hi | read x; echo $x'  # no output
          
    $ zsh -c 'echo hi | read x; echo $x'
    hi

And then that affects this case:

    bash$ sleep 5 | read
    ^Z
    [1]+  Stopped                 sleep 5 | read


    zsh$ sleep 5 | read    # job control doesn't apply to this case in zsh
    ^Zzsh: job can't be suspended

So yeah the semantics of shell are not very well specified (which is one reason for OSH and YSH). I recall a bug running an Alpine Linux shell script where this difference matters -- if the last part is NOT forked, then the script doesn't run

I think there was almost a "double bug" -- the script relied on the `read` output being "lost", even though that was likely not the intended behavior

Yes!! This!! I wrote a shell awhile back and was pretty happy with it... but could _not_ get job control to work quite right. It was a big pain.

Although not the same... Destroy All Software has videos on building your own shell using Ruby. I watched it to learn and it was a lot of fun to watch him basically building a shell, I'm not really a Ruby guy, but it was easy to grasp. It's not free, you would need a subscription, but its worth the watch otherwise.

https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/screencasts/catalog/shell...

I think there's a good one if you search around for "xv6 sh.c". Hard to tell immediately from a google search just now since there are many implementations (people do it in school) and github's currently blocking requests from my phone.

Also helpful may be running strace on your shell, then reviewing the output line by line to make sure you understand each. This is a VERY instructive exercise to do in general.

I remember my first shell programming I ever did was batch in windows back in the 3.11/95 days.

The first line was always to turn off echo, and I've always wondered why that was a decision for batch script. Or I'm misremembering. 30 years of separation makes it hard to remember the details.

It prints a prompt.

It’s a shell, not the whole thing. The whole thing is the shell+kernel+programs.

Editing the current line works because I brought in https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/readline.3.html towards the end so I could support editing, tab completion, and history.

IIRC readline uses a `char *` internally since the length of a user-edited line is fairly bounded.

Somebody blamed this comment on LLMs, and maybe/probably it is, but I think the first sentence is spot-on so I thought it was worth replying to.

Dealing with the corner cases ends up teaching you a lot about a language and for an ancient language like the shell, dealing with the corner cases also takes you through the thinking process of the original authors and the constraints they were subject to. I found myself in this situation while writing EndBASIC and wrote an article with the surprises I encountered, because I found the journey fascinating: https://www.endbasic.dev/2023/01/endbasic-parsing-difficulti...

Not sure it tells all that much about 'how the OS works'. This is a historical abstraction that happened to look how it looks today with all its numerous warts and shortcomings.

We can easily imagine it done a better way - for all the criticism of Windows, PowerShell gives a glimpse into this hypothetical future.

Fascinating that you resurrected an account from 2014 just for LLM spam, were the credentials compromised or something?