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by ryandvm4 hours ago |
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upvoteby hrmtst938371 hours ago|
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Legal theory about public data is fun right up until someone with money decides their ToS mean something and files suit, because courts are usually a lot less impressed by "I could access it in my browser" once you pulled millions of records with a scraper. Scrape if you want, just assume you're buying legal risk.
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upvoteby Ylpertnodi3 hours ago|
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> I believe if you put it on the internet without an auth-wall, people should be allowed to do whatever they want with it.

I agree. It's the owners of the sites that have to follow rules, not us.

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upvoteby hrmtst938373 hours ago|
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upvoteby kmeisthax3 hours ago|
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"I'm kind of old school in that I believe if you put grass on the ground without a fence, people should be allowed to do whatever they want with it. The noblemen with a thousand cows seem to agree."

And that, my friends, is how you kill the commons - by ignoring the social context surrounding its maintenance and insisting upon the most punitive ways of avoiding abuse.

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upvoteby petercooper3 hours ago|
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Context is important, but isn’t HN’s social context, in particular, that the site is entirely public, easily crawled through its API (which apparently has next to no rate limits) and/or Algolial, and has been archived and mirrored in numerous places for years already?
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upvoteby echelon3 hours ago|
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Signal and information are not grass.

Grass and property require upkeep. Radio waves and electromagnetic radiation do not.

I don't want your dog to piss on my lawn and kill my grass. But what harm does it cause me if you take a picture of my lawn? Or if I take a picture of your dog?

If I spend $100M making a Hollywood movie - pay employees, vendors, taxes - contribute to the economic growth of the country - and then that product gets stolen and given away completely for free without being able to see upside, that's a little bit different.

But my Hacker News comment? It's not money.

I think there are plausible ways to draw lines that protect genuine work, effort, and economics while allowing society and innovation to benefit from the commons.

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