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by echelon5 hours ago |
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upvoteby gkoberger5 hours ago|
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Yeah, I was being nice, but this writer upset me. He sees Ryan Dahl as Nero, but he’s a lot closer to Robin Hood.
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upvoteby wahnfrieden4 hours ago|
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If Robin Hood was CEO presiding over a hierarchy of wage workers, with VC backing to shoot for unicorn status
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upvoteby gkoberger4 hours ago|
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He may have the same title, but he’s way closer to an engineer than Elon/Bezos/etc.

My analogy was taking VC money and using it to build an open source tool.

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upvoteby saghm4 hours ago|
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> We live in a land of goddamned hyperscalers and megacorps trying to minimize how much they pay us (or get rid of us). Trillion dollar Zeuses that skirt by antitrust regulations for decades on end, crushing any would-be competition. Pilfering from open source while encrusting it in proprietary systems that cost an arm and a leg. Destroying the open web, turning every channel into an advertising shakedown, monitoring us, spying on us, cozying up to the spy apparatus in every country they do business in...

> How dare anyone throw rocks at an open source effort?

According to the article, Deno raised over $25 million from venture capital. Unless you're disputing that, it seems a bit disingenuous to criticize corporations but call this an "open source effort"

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upvoteby echelon4 hours ago|
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I'm sick of open source "purism" too.

It's almost all caused by the OSI.

The OSI is owned and operated by the hyperscalers, who benefit from this in-fighting and license purity bullshit.

Is the only open source free labor? Some people think so.

Are open core and fair source licenses invalid? Yeah - let's make everything BSD/MIT so managed versions can go live inside AWS and GCP and make those companies billions, while the original authors see limited or no upside.

The fact is - open source needs salients to attack the hyperscalers. It needs to pay its engineers. It needs to expand and grow. One of the ways to do that is building a business around it. Another way is building an open core plus services that drive revenue to sustain and grow the business.

Having VC money doesn't invalidate what's being done. It helps the experiment evolve faster.

Nobody's here complaining about Google and Microsoft and Amazon, yet that's where 99.9% of our ire should be directed. And yet we're pouring venom on this small and valiant effort.

We dump on Redis and Elastic while they're being torn to shreds and eaten by trillion dollar giants.

This entire conversation has become perverted to the point we're no longer talking about what matters: freedom to operate independently of the giants that control the world.

Instead we're complaining about people taking a risk, trying to actually do something impactful that matters.

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upvoteby prmoustache2 hours ago|
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sorry but your post makes no sense.

Open source is a kind of licenses. Hyperscalers are a kind of service providers.

You cannot oppose these 2, these are completely unrelated concepts.

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upvoteby echelon1 hours ago|
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That's cute to think that they're unrelated, but open source is fundamentally about freedom.

The walls around us are constantly being built up and caving in. Hyperscalers are trying to own more and more of the commons.

The web is becoming atrophied, search is a sales funnel, communication is taxed, we're about to be asked to use ID to use the Internet, ... everything is being stolen from us.

The two could not possibly be more related.

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upvoteby CrimsonRain4 hours ago|
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OSI is a plague and many people here swear by it blindly. They hate the big hyperscalers but play right into their arms.
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upvoteby pjmlp4 hours ago|
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To the point with exception of Emacs, GCC and the Linux kernel, we can assert the GPL is dead for most practical purposes.
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