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I can’t be an apologist for what’s going on but the Iranians seemed capable of killing tens of thousands of their own citizens in order to quash an uprising against the regime only weeks before the current events.
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We should have little sympathy for them, but ill thought out war will do nothing to improve things for those citizens. Far more likely the opposite.
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This seems to be a fairly well thought out war that's already killed many Iranian leaders, including:

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei – Supreme Leader

Major General Abdolrahim Mousavi – Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces

Major General Mohammad Pakpour – Commander-in-Chief of the IRGC

Brigadier General Aziz Nasirzadeh – Minister of Defense

Mohammad Shirazi – Head of Supreme Leader’s military office

Ali Larijani – Senior national security chief

Esmaeil Khatib – Minister of Intelligence

Gholamreza Rezaian – Iranian police intelligence commander

Gholamreza Soleimani – Basij paramilitary commander

Saleh Asadi – Head of military intelligence at Khatam‑al Anbiya

Has there been any other war in which one side so quickly killed the leadership of the other side?

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> tens of thousands of their own citizens

Any credible source for this?

1. Western media is not credible because West treats Iran as enemy

2. Iranian media is not credible because they obviously want to hide facts when they're negative

Now my question is, why are you spreading unverifiable information as something credible and building your facts on top of it?

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> Any credible source for this?

For tens of thousands? No. That’s the upper end of estimates. For the brutality? Yes. Wikipedia is a good start.

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Then you can also fairly say they've killed billions of people - that's the upper end of estimates, could be 1, could be 10, but upper estimate is definitely billions.

Also, please read what I wrote, I meant there is no credible source in this scenario, hence no one should be able to cite anyone's numbers

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> Then you can also fairly say they've killed billions of people

No, you can’t. One, it exceeds Iran’s population. Two, no known method of estimation produces a reasonable guess at those levels.

> there is no credible source in this scenario

There are. There aren’t if you assume ex ante they don’t exist, or if you’re committed to ignoring them.

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> Iran has executed three men accused of killing police officers during anti-government protests in January,

As I said, West considers Iran as enemy, used words by BBC reflects this clearly.

1. "accused of" - we don't know, but lets say they're "accusing" them

2. if true, then they have killed the "police officers" (seems many?) so what do you expect from Iran?

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Thousands, not tens of thousands. Which is bad enough so it seems silly to lie about this but whoever can make up the biggest number seems to favored by the Western narrative.

And let us not act like the decades of sanction were not designed to do exactly this. Sanctions mean you create as much hardships as possible for the people in hope they topple their government. They nearly never work but here we are.

> Contrary to popular belief, economic sanctions are ineffective in fulfilling their objectives. Historical observations from Russia to Cuba and Iran reveal that the more sanctions are designed to pressure the ruling class, the harder ordinary citizens are hit. Leaders often perceive sanctions as a means to enhance nationalism, portraying the United States and its allies as hostile. In many instances, such actions have only strengthened their hold on power while stifling dissent internally.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yljdgwppzo

As for the protests, the truth is also that these were not peaceful protests. Mossads agents had been arming people and instructing them to riot. Hundreds of police offers have been murdered and mosques have been burned down. Mossad agents have been instructed to fire at protestors to increase the death toll.

Yes, there has been valid criticism and unhappiness with the government. But most of these people had been protesting for economic reasons. They didn't want to see their country invaded.

Today many of the people that had protested in January are joining the mass demonstrations in favor of the Islamic Republic. The war has united the Iranians.

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>Mossad agents have been instructed to fire at protestors to increase the death toll.

Source?

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> Hundreds of people died when security forces sought to crush the demonstrations, along with dozens of members of the police and Basij militia. Iranian intelligence operatives internally concluded that some of the violence was being encouraged and facilitated by Israeli operatives, according to the sources. “Foreign actors linked to Israeli intelligence services had, over time, established contact—through various social media platforms and under diverse cover identities—with a significant number of Iranian citizens, particularly young people,” the Iranian intelligence official alleged. These Israeli handlers, he said, “encouraged and incentivized the performance of specific tasks through a combination of financial and non-financial rewards, as well as the provision of material support, including small arms and other equipment.”

> “Foreign actors are arming the protesters in Iran with live firearms, which is the reason for the hundreds of regime personnel killed,” wrote Tamir Morag, the diplomatic correspondent for Israel’s Channel 14, during the uprising. “Everyone is free to guess who is behind it.” Morag and his network are well known for their close ties to Netanyahu.

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/iran-ministry-of-intelligence...

You also find the some information in a Israeli Newspaper:

> On December 29, what is dubbed the Mossad X/Twitter account in Farsi encouraged Iranians to protest against the Iranian regime, telling them that it is literally physically with them at the demonstrations.

> “Go out together into the streets. The time has come,” the Mossad wrote. “We are with you,” it added. “Not only from a distance and verbally. We are with you in the field.” [...]

> Foreign actors had armed Iranians to help them fight against the regime’s forces being used to crack down on and oppress protesters, Channel 14’s Tamir Morag reported Tuesday. Iran’s foreign minister retweeted the report for his own agenda.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-883524

See also interview with Prof. Marandi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-tcwcon30M

He claims the a nurse was burned alive in a clinic by rioters.

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In a war where Israel and US are literally bombing the hell out of Iran, fewer people have been killed than those two days of massacre.

All according to the numbers confirmed by Iranian government.

God, the moral depravity of defending the IRGC and islamic regime is mind boggling. You can still be against Mossad and what they do in Iran while holding the islamic regime accountable for its own atrocities.

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> fewer people have been killed than those two days of massacre.

So, how many have been killed in those two days of massacre exactly?

A credible source please, and "killed", not "accused of killing", "allegedly killed" etc.

I was following this news in real-time at that time. One thing I noticed was that media outlets started killing/withdrawing many of their stories.

That made mighty suspicious.

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Those are not sources for the statement you were asked to back up with a source.
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The state TV. It’s impossible they lie.
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"Mossads agents had been arming people and instructing them to riot. "

This feels far too much like Iranian government propaganda to be plausible.

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That would be right from the text book of any psyops and insurgency operation.

It would be very surprising if they didn't. Heck FBI was doing it to citizens at one point, during war against terror.

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There is a name for that, "Israel Derangement Syndrome". No matter what bad thing happens, it is Israel's fault or doing (even if it happens to Israel itself).
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There is zero proof that Iranian government has killed thousands of their own citizens. Please stop spouting Zionist propaganda
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I really is ridiculous, and somehow the number only gets bigger as the stories are told! Last I saw was "40,000 protestors murdered in just 24 hours!", or something very close to it.

The US and Israel have been carpet bombing Iran for weeks now, blowing up hospitals, schools, power plants and residential buildings, yet the Iranian death toll is "only" around 1,500 so far. Yet we are to believe that Iran killed 40k of its own people in a day - you would literally be able to see piles of corpses from space!

Israel has also claimed that they've hacked every traffic camera in Tehran, yet are mysteriously unable to provide any actual evidence of the supposed massacre - meanwhile, Iran released several videos showing foreign agitators distributing weapons, people attacking civilians etc.

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I think there are 5-7 thousand confirmed deaths by the UN, and medical reports in Iran estimated there could be 20,000+ casualties.
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7 thousand confirmed death, 9 thousand unconfirmed death. Among that 1200 confirmed death from the regime forces, and 400 to be confirmed bystanders. The nurse burned to death by protesters is among those 400.
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I don't know enough to dispute, but could you link such a report
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> The US and Israel have been carpet bombing Iran

No they haven't. The US started phasing out carpet bombing[0] half a century ago. You discredit yourself by making such trivially falsifiable assertions.

The US and Israel use precision strikes. It is why the ratio of targets per sortie is by far the highest ever recorded in a major conflict.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing

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While I somewhat agree, you should also look at the results of those precision strikes. Usually, when they kill a senior Iranian officer sleeping in his appartment, they level the building or at lest blow up several adjacent units, probably killing at last 10 innocent people.
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That's an inherent limitation of precision strikes. The objective is minimizing the collateral damage required to achieve the objective, not avoiding it entirely. Even the various explosive-free precision-guided munitions the US uses have a non-zero damage radius.

One can argue whether or not it is a good idea for the bombs to be flying around in the first place, but there is no version of physics that allows anyone to avoid collateral damage as a practical matter.

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Which is not “carpet bombing”.

Use words and phrases correctly, or expect an argument.

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Look at the videos coming out of Iran - civilian infrastructure and residences are clearly being targeted. Some unexploded bombs have been found that lack a JDAM guidance package.

And regardless of the USA, Israel is most certainly not above carpet bombing civilians.

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Again, that's not "carpet bombing". Carpet bombing requires a type of aircraft that Israel doesn't have (though the US does).

Why would you expect a precision bomb to have a JDAM package? That is not the only type of guidance package. In fact, most of the footage I've seen (largely Israeli) has clearly been laser-guided bombs. They aren't the same thing, and the latter is more precise than JDAM in any case.

Use of precision-guided bombs in a city is not "carpet bombing".

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Even if their actions might not precisely meet some dictionary definition of "carpet bombing", you know well what I meant - civilians and civilian infrastructure are being deliberately targeted with complete disregard for loss of life and environmental consequences.
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You meant to lie, and you did lie, and you continue to lie. Standard TikTok rage where words no longer have meaning, reality must be rejected, and any headline is true even if the article directly negates it or there's no source, so long as it makes Israel look bad.

I swear, it's almost as if the anti-Israel mob _wants_ it to be true.

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That’s called war.

You’re parroting IRGC propaganda, which is why people are arguing with you.

“We are innocent civilians and the Israelis are carpet bombing us”… said by the people that funded October 7th and killed more of their own people than the Israeli bombs did.

Iran’s government has been violently belligerent for decades, and continues to this day to bomb its Arab neighbours including hitting their civilians! They don’t get to whine about the morality of civilian versus military deaths.

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You are vilifying an entire country and it's high time we acknowledge this is wrong. Israel does not set out to carpet bomb civilians. If it did, the numbers would have been insane; same goes for the US.
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Be serious, look at what has been done to Gaza. Israel absolutely sets out to murder civilians, en-masse.
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Can you show me a verified case where IDF intentionally targeted civilians fully knowing they were going to "murder" them for no reason?
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All the children shot in the head as reported by western doctors working there?
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Gaza was not carpet bombed at all. Gaza was bombed with precision weapons, then bulldozers came in and leveled empty buildings after calling their residents to evacuate. You may not like it, but Israel never used a strategy of carpet bombings, it's neither effective nor efficient.
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Holy shit what rock are you living under? Israel is villifying itself just fine.
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I argue that anyone saying this is watching too many TikTok videos and not really familiar with what's going on.

Without going into too much detail, my position and line of work means that I have to keep very informed on the middle east and so far I've seen a lot of hatred, and very little factual basis. In fact every single person I personally talked to was very uninformed on these matters which is fine, as long as you accept it and don't form extreme opinions on entire countries.

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I consume no TikTok, no Facebook, no cable news, none of any of that.

If Israel doesn't want people to form "extreme opinions" about them then maybe they should stop oppressing and murdering poeple with a compete disregard for human life.

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I'd appreciate if you didn't spam the same link all over my comments, once is enough. And as for "forensic architecture", please visit their website and go over who these people are - especially the Palestinians from Ramallah and self proclaimed "activists". This is by no means an unbiased organization.
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Then don't go asking for a report in all of your comments on this page where you have, once is enough.

Forensic Architecture is one of the most reputed organizations for this line of work.

Their reports are read with great deal of respect here on HN and they cover more than this conflict. If they don't count as credible and competent, nothing will satisfy. The moral equivalent of covering one's eyes and ears.

So I will appreciate if you stop this sham of yours asking for a citation.

While you are at it, do better than ad hominem.

For HN audience, the report was discussed on HN here

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47136179

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>For HN audience, the report was discussed on HN here

He's in there as well, truly unapologetic Zionist.

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Ah! Now I feel like an idiot wasting my time. Thanks for the heads up though.

Sadly, my country does this too, pay shills to promote their party line on Whatsapp.

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Please stop spouting Hamas Health Ministry propaganda.
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The Iranian government is bad, and yes, it should be toppled, eventually, by its own people.

This doesn't change the fact that Iran is the aggressed party in an invasion of an incredibly aggressive US-Israel axis that seem to revel in death.

You can hate the Iranian murderous regime, and also understand that it is fighting against another evil, murderous regime.

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> The Iranian government is bad, and yes, it should be toppled, eventually, by its own people.

You would prefer to tell people in Iran who oppose the regime to take up arms (which they don't have) and fight IRGC soldiers with better training and more resources?

Best case, if they did, Iran would end up in a situation like Syria. Would that be an improvement?

More likely, it would simply be a massacre.

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What I can tell you is that no matter how much I hate the government of my country, I would hate a lot more the foreign country that is destroying civilian infrastructure and murdering my people.

Let's not pretend that the US and Israel regimes have the best interest of the Iranian people in mind. They want murder.

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I really can't say how this is being received in or out of Iran, but I remember after the initial strikes there was widespread footage of Iranian exiles celebrating, even on anti-Trump media.

Edit: and even people celebrating in Iran itself, which seems incredibly brave.

"videos posted on social media showed joy and defiance elsewhere, with people cheering as a statue was toppled in the city of Dehloran in Ilam province, dancing in the streets of Karaj city, near Tehran in Alborz province, and celebrating in the streets of Izeh in Khuzestan province. In the town of Galleh Dar in southern Iran, people knocked down a monument commemorating Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who founded the Islamic Republic in 1979, a video on social media showed."

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/polarised-ira...

Even The Guardian, as anti-Trump as a source can be, reported that "videos shared widely on social media also showed people celebrating, dancing, honking car horns and setting off fireworks as news of the leader’s death broke."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/01/celebration-or...

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I bet that in Russia they also have media showing that people in Uraike are celebrating their liberation, etc.

I am very skeptical of war propaganda. You would do well to be skeptical of it too.

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Yeah, but then again the United States has also killed protestors with federal invasions of its cities. As well as slaughtered children with a targeted missle strike on a school.
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There are only two countries capable of killing civilians by the ten thousands and the world knows them. In fact they're currently bombing Iran and the region, one of them is currently perpetrating a genocide with approval of the day called civilized world. No cameras or international press covering the massacre of Gaza.
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This is just completely false. There are multiple countries capable of killing their own by those numbers. All of them are equally disgusting, and should all be held accountable.
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Your comment made me realise that while Iran has attacked a dozen countries, they have yet to attack a school or a hospital.

Not condoning anyone but shows the priority of both sides.

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They obliterated a kindergarten in Israel just this morning, and several others since the start of the war. Last week a missile landed right behind my house, just between a kindergarten and an elementary school, damaging both.

Literally all Israeli casualties were civilian.

Your comment made me realize international media doesn't care to even publish this, leading to this incredibly skewed view.

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Thanks for correction. I looked up the news and could find reporting that some fragments of a missile did hit kindergarten. Thankfully no kids were there.

I'd edit my previous comment but I can't.

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Doesn't Isreal have a ban on reporting of strikes inside their borders?
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The ban is on reporting the exact locations (i.e. coordinates) of where missiles land, because it's information that is useful in helping the enemy to calibrate where missiles will land. Reporting on other details is perfectly acceptable.
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No, only specifics like exact locations are not publicized.
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They did however murder thousands of protesters in their own streets in January, and who knows how much more dissidents over the years.

This one was just this week: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-execution-teen-wrestler-ja...

So there's that.

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The internal conflict over corruption, water issues and handling of the protesters had a decent chance to cause meaningful changes in government. Starting a war and attacking their civilians put those chances to bed.
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Exactly. And this also want' just a protest. They were protest in the big cities and uprising from suppressed minoritiesm which explain the death toll among people from the regime.

Iran might have at best have a self-regime change, at worst split in 3. Now that the war is on, the regime consolidated.

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Strategically, it makes no sense to corner and threaten people. Murdering their own citizens shows the degree to which they'll go to preserve their power. If anything, that's a reason to slowly bleed them instead of cornering and escalating.

The evil of your enemy does not excuse your own strategic stupidity or cruelty.

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Arguably the country that has done the most to cement the Iranian regime is the United States with its sanctions. If Iran had been left to develop into a normal Middle Eastern oil-rich country then things might have turned out differently. The more money people have the harder it is to control them.
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And that gives US people the right to go there and murder a few thousand extra people?
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How does that compare with putting hundreds of thousands of people into cages for arbitrary reasons, I wonder. Or depositing them in random countries to be killed because they are e.g. homosexual.
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Allegedly, according to the same political factions that aggressively bombed Iran just weeks later.
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Considering theyre now doing airstrikes, there was 100% pre-invasion action that included agitating these protests. Like they're literally bombing them now but we think we werent already doing CIA activity there 6 months ago? Im not saying civilians love the government they probably hate it but... its complicated, what if the person rallying and pushing 1000 people was actually a deep cover agent

Before I get downvoted to hell Im not conding anything or taking any side, just pointing out an obvious deduction

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You're being disingenuous - the "protestor" was caught on camera literally hacking a policeman to pieces. He murdered a policeman, and will now be executed.
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Can you back this with linking the said videos and maybe some info on legal proceedings of the fair trial in which this person was convicted? I’m curious.
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From that article, on CBS News which isn't exactly known for being a fan of this administration:

"Rights groups said the trio were executed without a fair trial and had given confessions under torture."

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Well some civilians have been injured when Iran attacked the hotels where US agents were stationed. Mostly due to them being foreign workers and well we all know how Dubai and the Saudis treat foreign workers. They were not allowed evacuate in time.

Of course it will be hard to completely avoid civilian casualties in the long run, I fear but yeah Iran has been pretty measured. Iran's fight is with the US imperialists and Israel and not the people that live in the region.

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> some civilians have been injured when Iran attacked the hotels where US agents were stationed

Surely the US are using civilians as human shields?

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Yes, they are absolutely using civilians as human shields. Just like Israel has been doing for ages.

That is why they constantly lie about Hamas using human shields. Every accusation is a confession with these people.

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Like Iran placing a girls school on the grounds of a military base?

They had years and years to correct the open source maps and inform the world at large about the presence and location of the girls school, but didn't?

Imagine being a parent of such a child, being informed enough to understand what the regime aspires to (ballistic nuclear missiles), and what a large number of nuclear powers think about this. If you are that parent, would you be happy with your child being sent to a school on the grounds of a military base? They risk being the first casualties in war. Obviously, in this fun society of Iran, these parents had no choice, for if they did, they would insist their children go to a different school. The victims you complain about, are indeed victims, but first and foremost victims of Iran's regime, its against the statutes of Rome to use human shields.

A hotel is not a military target, a military complex is.

I do think international law is up for some modernization with regards to human shields etc. An improved law (that recognizes the existence of open source maps) could mandate every nation to mark the locations of schools etc.

If however you place the school as a human shield (war crime), and mark that shield on an open map, such international law should legitimize war unless a deadline to move the school is met.

If a military complex is not marked as having a childrens school, while in fact there is, then its a war crime too.

Then there will be no silly forum discussions on who's fault these casualties are, the goal of regulation is to prevent misery, not to point fingers afterwards.

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The mullahs and IRGC are not famous for their compassion or kind-heartedness.

They are infamous for fulminating against liberals, plotting to kill enemies, torturing and hanging dissidents from cranes, persecuting minorities and women, funding terror cells, and fleecing their citizens to enrich themselves.

Many of the comments here suffer from a misguided refusal to be impressed by the regime's reputation, as though anyone the American establishment criticises must automatically be righteous.

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>from a misguided refusal to be impressed by the regime's reputation

You have to thank the actions of the genocidal State of Israel that anything below it is somewhat acceptable. Reaping what they sow themselves.

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That's not particularly enlightening, to be frank.

People always ask here why the community flags every post on these issues. Comments like this are why. Hardly anyone on this site knows even basic information on the nations involved.

If I were in charge of HN, I'd geoblock anyone from commenting on the Middle East who isn't at an IP from the Middle East. I wouldn't be able to comment either, but at least there might be enlightening information in the comments.

That said, the first page of any reputable history on Iran/Israel relations would go over 1979, when Israel went from friend of Iran to foe, based on Khomeini's interpretation of Islam.

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> Reaping what they sow

Israel and Iran somewhat independently came to the conclusion that they’re the regional hegemon, and that protecting that position is worth any cost.

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I would see this war as the end of a string of wars initiated by Iran through Hamas in October 7.

This left Israel similar to the USA post 9/11 or Peal Harbor. On a streak to make it never happen again in a very decisive/brutal way. Hegemony wasn't the moving factor for Israel, at least until very late in the war, and due to the same reasons

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> the end of a string of wars initiated by Iran through Hamas in October 7

Locally, yes. Iran not condemning those attacks was a fuckup.

More broadly, this is the Levant versus Persia, a power contest as old as civilization.

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They attacked a hospital during the 12 day war. They attacked a school today but it was evacuated due to the early warning system. They attack civilian targets indiscriminately using cluster warheads, in violation of international law.
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HN need community notes BAD.
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> they have yet to attack a school or a hospital

Most of their ordinance has been intercepted. And a good fraction was unguided enough that it would have hit a school or hospital.

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> hit a school

Already has in Azerbaijan [0] and attempted in Israel [1].

Most reporting is hyper-regional and somewhat kept under wraps (eg. Qatar and UAE are actively prosecuting leakers who are using Reddit, and have even taken control of Qatar's subreddit [2]) or reported on in regional languages.

I've found the information control in this conflict to be much more strategic/professional in comparison to what was is seen in Ukraine and Russia.

[0] - https://www.euronews.com/2026/03/06/aliyev-vows-attacks-on-a...

[1] - https://www.jns.org/news/israel-news/iranian-cluster-bomb-hi...

[2] - https://www.reddit.com/r/qatar/comments/1rt2fth/timeout/

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This is obviously made easier when your opposition doesn’t stockpile their weapons in, nor conduct their military operations from, schools and hopsitals.
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Here's a kindergarten Iran attacked just today: https://www.jns.org/news/israel-news/iranian-cluster-bomb-hi...

The fact Israel has a very effective defensive system (active and passive) does not mean Iranians avoid civilian targets.

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This is a truly profound insight, the benevolance of Iran's regime is suspiciously proportional to the interception prowess of the nations targeted by Iran. /s

So every time allied militaries protect their schools and hospitals by intercepting missiles, drones etc from Iran, you give credit to Iran?

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> Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless"

I think it’s more that these attacks are counterproductive to Iran’s state goals, which reveals that we’re seeing a hardline faction in Iran use the war as cover for consolidating power.

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Unfortunately it's we who will pay the price, with "we" being the entire world, considering the destruction of a lot of oil production infrastructure will cause a price hike for everything.
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Well China is still getting Iranian oil no problem.

We in the West, well we are aiding the US in this war by allowing it to operate from military bases in our countries. We deserve it for looking the other way while Israel has been mass murdering Palestinians for more than two years now.

At least Spain showed some guts.

Of course it will also potentially cause suffering in the global south but that is on those that started the war.

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How is China getting that oil without problem? Something like 90% of it when through Kharg island which is now rubble.
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The attacks against Kharg Island were relatively limited as even the US wanted to avoid that level of escalation. The war has been painful but Iran could rebuild, if you destroyed Kharg island it would take decades to rebuild the Iranian economy, that would be a complete scorched earth point of no return.

Maybe there have been further attacks today that I missed but if true that would be an huge escalation.

My last information was that China has no problem getting oil but that was like two days ago.

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TBH I am a little more concerned about people dying from the conflict than paying a bit more for gas
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What about the people who will die because they cannot afford the higher prices that will come from a disruption in gas supply?
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They're also doing exactly what they said they'd be doing if attacked in such manner.

People who say Iran is "crazy" or "lashing out" are falling for the most brain dead propaganda

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Iran is actively murdering protesters including a 19 year old.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o

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You have to be pretty shit to get people to defacto support Iran. As usually Trump has led the US into the gutter.
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