https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Kqg6sokz4
replyThe truck asks permission to cross. It is given. The truck declares it is going to cross, but the ATC replies "just stop there please".
Also, those runway entry lights look red to me. If so, that should have been a HUGE warning sign to the driver.
He said "Frontier 4195 stop there please". Then "stop stop stop stop truckon" By the time he clearly tells "truck 1" to stop, they're already entering the runway. Sounds like a bit of confusion.
replyI'm very, very curious about whether the ARFF crew visually cleared the runway and final before crossing the hold short line. It's standard procedure for flight crew to do this, specifically to mitigate the risk of ATC errors.
replyReports are there were fog and rain at La Guardia at the time of the incident. They were on a short final, and it’s entirely possible they were not visible to the fire truck’s crew.
replyI have over 1,000 hours as PIC in the NY area alone, in all seasons and all weather, and I was in the region last night, awake when the accident happened. LGA was reporting 4SM -RA BR FEW045 BKN090 OVC110 at the time of the accident. The weather wasn't anywhere close to what I'd call "bad" here. Sprinkles and some high clouds.
replyI can almost guarantee you the airplane was visible from taxiway D.
You can also see from the videos that they could have easily seen the plane.
replyAt night with multiple runways it can be very hard to see a plane on final.
replyStill, I'm always hesitant to cross an active runway.
Yes ARFF should still look before crossing, but the weather wasn’t great with limited visibility and thus even if they looked it’s possible they didn’t see anything.
replyI mean, isn't it obvious that they didn't?
replyIt’s obvious that either they didn’t, or they did but they didn’t see the plane. We don’t know which.
replyDo we know what the other emergency was? All the reporting I've seen has been very vague on this.
replyUnited aircraft did a high speed abort (80+ knots) and afterwards, fumes from hot brakes were entering the back of the cabin. (Not uncommon.)
replySource: Mentour Pilot. https://www.youtube.com/live/Bb4CcoK0KLM
Unrelated United aborted takeoff, as well as reported some odors in the cabin from the flight attendants.
replyOdors from the flight attendants? If they were paid better they could shower more frequently.
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