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by lvspiff5 hours ago |
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upvoteby swiftcoder5 hours ago|
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> they've priced the consumer/pro-sumer out of the market prettymuch

I'd argue that (the low end of) Apple products are the cheapest they've ever been - the $599 iPhone 17e is below the inflation-adjusted price of the original iPhone, and at $599 the MacBook Neo is the cheapest launch price an Apple laptop has ever listed at (not even adjusting for inflation!)

The maximum amount you can spend at the high-end has certainly gone up over time, although the basic MacBook Pro Max config costs roughly the same as it's peer from 10-15 years ago - nobody's forcing folks to shell out for the 128GB of RAM (something that didn't exist on laptops at all till very recently)

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upvoteby kstrauser5 hours ago|
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The company that just made a $600 Macbook?
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upvoteby bigyabai5 hours ago|
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Yes, the phone company that is known for taking home a bronze medal in personal computing for the past 30 years running.

Apple knows the score internally, this won't change the world any more than the 12" Retina Macbook did.

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upvoteby mpweiher2 hours ago|
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The world's firs trillion dollar and three trillion dollar company. Yes, completely insignificant.

The company that captures 60-70% of the global PC industry's profits. Definitely completely insignificant.

Apple has known the score internally for decades and is laughing that score all the way to the bank.

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upvoteby bigyabai1 hours ago|
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None of that refutes anything that was said. macOS is a third-class citizen measured by market share, and the total sum of annual Mac profits is lower than what the iPad ecosystem makes in a year.

Consumers do not want the Mac. Datacenters don't want Apple Silicon. People want the iPhone, they want Airpods, but the M-series Macs have spent 5 years changing absolutely nothing.

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upvoteby swiftcoder1 minutes ago|
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> Consumers do not want the Mac

Really? As far as I can tell, consumers mostly would love to use Macs, but aren't willing to pay the price of entry

> Datacenters don't want Apple Silicon

Do you know how many people salivate at the prospect of an M-based return of the Xserve?

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upvoteby philistine34 minutes ago|
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> and the total sum of annual Mac profits is lower than what the iPad ecosystem makes in a year.

So the company that makes between 50-60% of all profits in personal computers has created a market where it makes 100% of the profits, but albeit smaller than the whole PC market. That's terrrrible, what was Apple thinking!

Market share is far from everything when people live in poverty and do not have money to spend on good hardware and software. Apple makes stuff for affluent people, and then makes a ton of money from those rich folks. Making Apple the most valuable company in the history of humanity. Boy, that's a terrible place to be in!

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upvoteby bigyabai17 minutes ago|
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I shouldn't have to repeat myself; this still doesn't refute the claim that Apple has ceded the consumer compute market. Cheap Macs have flooded the used market for years, and people still gravitate towards plastic Wintel boxes and Chromebooks.

> Apple makes stuff for affluent people

is just repeating the original claim upthread:

>> they've priced the consumer/pro-sumer out of the market prettymuch and so B2B is the more sustainable paying population.

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