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> I asked because I'm curious, and Googling just gives opinion pieces and not data.

Women complaining are voicing an opinion. Is this a good enough citation for the claim that women don't want to compete with men?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gndSDgsMnKI

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Considering I was asking whether there was evidence on trans-performance, sure it matters a little.

That's fine if they don't want to compete with men, but the statements were because "it's unfair". I was curious if there had been any studies on this.

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> Considering I was asking whether there was evidence on trans-performance, sure it matters a little.

Well, (and I hesitate to say this because of HN guidelines, but) it was in the article, which I assumed you read. It was this assumption that made me think you wanted evidence that it is women who are complaining about competing against men.

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> Late last year Dr. Jane Thornton, the I.O.C.’s medical and scientific director and a Canadian former Olympic rower, presented the initial findings of a review of athletes who are transgender or have differences of sexual development, known as DSD, and are competing in women’s sports. That analysis, which has not been made public, stated athletes born with male sexual markers retained physical advantages, including among those that had received treatment to reduce testosterone.

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I don't see that anywhere in the linked Yahoo article.

Does it have a link to any of the findings?

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The linked article is to the nytimes. I dunno which article is the yahoo one. This story was on the nytimes, it's the one under discussion.

> Does it have a link to any of the findings?

The findings I posted where from the linked article, to the nytimes. The findings were exactly as I posted them; in brief, athletes born with male markers retain their physical advantages.

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There’s probably a reason the analysis has not been made public.

It’s not evidence until published because it can’t be disputed.

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I can't believe you need a study to show that a man turned woman has an advantage. It's clear men vs women have an advantage in almost every discipline... So are you simply unsure if the transition process doesn't totally ruin them and degrade their performance to that of a woman?
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You can debate what policies are the most fair without calling trans women "men."
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This is more about logic.

For this article to be relevant a spot for the Olympics of either gender has been taken by a trans athlete.

Which by conclusion means that a trans person outperformed the other gender.

Taking part in the Olympics is a difficult endeavor, for which you must qualify first.

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That's a misleading way to talk about "outperforming". When the US brings over 200 people to the olympics, then if cis and trans athletes have exactly the same performance and without other bias you'd expect to see 1-2 trans US olympians every year just by chance. And you'd expect them to have the same medal rates as anyone else from the US. When someone asks if there's evidence of trans athletes outperforming cis athletes, that's not what they're asking for.
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Well, trans women given current regulations that allowed competition with cis women, would have had to be on hormone replacement therapy for 3-5 years depending on the sport. So the data and context does matter, because the intuitive conclusion you came to isn't touching a dataset to find the rooted-in-reality conclusion. The question is 'is a male with a female hormone balance for over X period time with in a fair difference in biological function to females.'. Which is a complex question, since so many things are at play. How much does fast twitch muscle fiber is retained? How much does that even matter for the sport in question?(ballet vs sprinting) Did they go through male puberty? Where are they working out to retain their muscle mass through their 3-5 year transition period and not losing any of their originally gained muscle? What would it look like if they intentionally lost the muscle mass and then retrained it back?

I find those to be fascinating questions, the later we have little research on, currently, and it could enlighten so much more of exercise science especially for cis athletes as well.

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"unfair to compete with men" is not the part of the post they wanted a citation for.
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You do understand there is a difference between a trans-woman and a man and that you are comparing incorrect data?
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Please do demonstrate the difference in this context.
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Hormone expression. Muscle mass. Reaction time. Weight.

A YEAR of hormone therapy. Meeting a required measured threshold of testosterone.

And that's not even the controversial stuff. A man and a trans-woman are different. hell, one has (generalizing here) boobs: come on... don't be dense/obtuse! Have you tried running fast suddenly having boobs when you did not before?!?! ...one is way easier.

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