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by jeremyjh11 hours ago |
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upvoteby MoreQARespect7 hours ago|
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Ive almost never worked on a project where there was the right number of QAs who were doing the right thing.

Usually there either arent any in which case bugs get missed or there are 5 very cheap ones running mindless scripts who are standing in for the devs' inability or unwillingness to write decent automated tests but dont catch the really deep level thorny stuff.

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upvoteby ricardobayes4 hours ago|
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Interesting username
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upvoteby anothereng2 hours ago|
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i know right hahah
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upvoteby 9wzYQbTYsAIc10 hours ago|
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> More importantly, it is almost impossible for engineers to be as well incentivized to spend extra time exploring edge cases in something they already believe to work than to ship a feature on time.

Personal liability and professional insurance works for all the actual “professions” in the US, to some extent, right?

It might be time to start the considerations for professional licensing for platform scale or commercially published software.

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upvoteby rfrey41 minutes ago|
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Real engineering disciplines also have dedicated QA and test engineers.
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upvoteby ivan_gammel10 hours ago|
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More like certified products. New ISO standard may require professional liability for software products, which will be adopted as requirement by big consumers and will pull the industry into certification loop, because insurers will ask for it. This will obviously put a high entry barrier to many product categories, slowing down innovation.
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upvoteby 9wzYQbTYsAIc10 hours ago|
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Yes, but slowing down to avoid hazards is sometimes important.

Medical devices and such are the only places I’d expect to see the need for certified products. By extension, in the new era, we really ought only expect certified software where we expect a duty to care from the software system (or any other assigned duty)

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upvoteby ivan_gammel9 hours ago|
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In development of medical devices existing quality controls are already working well, right?
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upvoteby 9wzYQbTYsAIc9 hours ago|
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My point exactly, embedded devices are the closest software gets to actually being built by licensed engineers. The expectation can often be that you are an electrical engineer by training, where licensure is a viable path, unlike in software engineering.
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