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"the percentage of U.S. adults who report having no close friends has quadrupled to 12% since 1990"[1]

1. https://www.happiness.hks.harvard.edu/february-2025-issue/th...

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More technology is probably the solution to this!
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Many other humans are .... Not very available - certainly many shut down when conversations reach a certain level of depth or require great focus or introspection..
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Depth? Introspection?

I'd say these days the norm is to not simply shut down, but to become irrevocably and insidiously hostile, the moment someone hints at the existence of such a thing as "ground truth", "subjective interpretation", "being right or wrong" - or any of the bits and bobs that might lead one to discover the proper scary notion, "consensus reality".

"What do you mean social reality is a constructed by the consensus of the participants? Reality is what has been drilled into my head under threat of starvation! How dare you exist!", et cetera. You've heard it translated into Business English countless times.

They are deathly afraid of becoming aware of their own conditioned state of teleological illiteracy - i.e. how they are trained to know what they are doing, but never why they are doing it. It's especially bad with the guys who cosplay US STEM gang.

One is not permitted a position of significance in this world without receiving this conditioning, and I figure it's precisely this global state of cognitive disavowal which props up the value of the US dollar - and all sorts of other standees you might've recently interacted with as if they're not 2D cutouts (metaphorical ones! metaphorical!).

PSA: Look up "locus of control" and "double bind". Between those two, you might be able to get a glimpse of what's going on - but have some sort of non-addictive sedative handy in case you do.

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You had me on the first three paragraphs, but the last two veer so far off course that I've no idea what you're trying to say. Mind clarifying?
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I think you will enjoy Guy Debord and Raoul Vaneigem.
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No living breathing human deserves to be subjected to my level of overthinking, and vanishingly few share my fascination with my favorite topics.
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In addition to availability, usually because you want to take advantage of the knowledge that is baked into the models, which for all its flaws still vastly exceeds the knowledge of any single human.
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oh i do as well. I think of the LLM as another tool in the toolbox, not a replacement for interactions. There is something different about having a rubber duck as a service though.
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Arguing with a human costs social energy. Chatting with a robot does not.
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s/social/demonic/
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OK, I'll bite the artillery shell: I don't mean to dismiss you or what you are saying; in fact I strongly relate - wouldn't it be nice to be able to hash things out with people and mutually benefit from both the shared and the diverging perspectives implied in such interaction? Isn't that the most natural thing in the world?

Unfortunately these days this sounds halfway between a very privileged perspective and a pie in the sky.

When was the last time a person took responsibility for the bad outcome you got as a direct consequence of following their advice?

And, relatedly, where the hell do you even find humans who believe in discursive truth-seeking in 2026CE?

Because for the last 15 years or so I've only ever ran into (a) the kind of people who will keep arguing regardless if what they're saying is proven wrong; (b) and their complementaries, those who will never think about what you are saying, lest they commit to saying anything definite themselves, which may hypothetically be proven wrong.

Thing is, both types of people have plenty to lose; the magic wordball doesn't. (The previous sentence is my answer to the question you posited; and why I feel the present parenthesized disclaimer to be necessary, is a whole next can of worms...)

Signs of the existence of other kinds of people, perhaps such that have nothing to prove, are not unheard of.

But those people reside in some other layer of the social superstructure, where facts matter much less than adherence to "humane", "rational" not-even-dogmas (I'd rather liken it to complex conditioning).

But those folks (because reasons) are in a position of power over your well-being - and (because unfathomables) it's a definite faux pas to insist in their presence that there are such things as facts, which relate by the principles of verbal reasoning.

Best you could get out of them is the "you do you", "if you know you know", that sort of bubble-bobble - and don't you dare get even mildly miffed at such treatment of your natural desire to keep other humans in the loop.

AI is a symptom.

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Why is your wording so complicated? It is very hard for me to understand what you try to say, even though I am very interested.
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I genuinely do not understand what u are saying. Because reasons, because unfathomables? Everyone in last 15 years has been an npc? I have had countless deep conversations with people and i am an uber introvert.

This reads like someone who is deep into their specific pov. You cannot hope to have a meaningful conversation if you yourself are not willing to concede a point.

To the op u are replying too, arguing with people can have real consequences if u say something stupid or carelessly. There is a another human there. With a machine, u are safe. At least u feel safe.

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When you start hearing things like “you do you” or “if you know you know” it means that you went way too far. That’s a sign of discomfort.

If you make uncomfortable, you won’t get diverging perspectives. People will agree to anything to get out of a social situation that makes them uncomfortable.

If your goal is meaningful conversation, you may want to consider how you make people feel.

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Believe me (or don't), I always do. Even when this precludes a necessary conversation from happening. Even when the other party doesn't give a fuck about how they make others feel.

After all, if they're making me uncomfortable, surely there's something making them uncomfortable, which they're not being able to be forthright about, but with empathy I could figure it out from contextual cues, right?

>People will agree to anything to get out of a social situation that makes them uncomfortable.

That's fine as long as they have someone to take care of them.

In my experience, taking into account the opinions of such people has been the worst mistake of my life. I'm still working on the means to fix its consequences, as much as they are fixable at all.

"Doing whatever for the sake of avoiding mild discomfort" is cowardice, laziness, narcissism - I'm personally partial to the last one, but take your pick. In any case, I consider it a fundamentally dishonest attitude, and a priori have no wish to get along (i.e. become interdependent) with such people.

Other than that, I do agree with your overall sentiment and the underlying value system; I'm just not so sure any more that it is in fact correct.

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> In my experience, taking into account the opinions of such people has been the worst mistake of my life. I'm still working on the means to fix its consequences, as much as they are fixable at all.

This sounds very cryptic. Can you give an example?

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Believe me (or don't), I always do. Even when this precludes a necessary conversation from happening. Even when the other party doesn't give a fuck about how they make others feel.

After all, if they're making me uncomfortable, surely there's something making them uncomfortable, which they're not being able to be forthright about, but with empathy I could figure it out from contextual cues, right?

>People will agree to anything to get out of a social situation that makes them uncomfortable.

That's fine as long as they have someone to take care of them.

In my experience, taking into account the opinions of such people has been the worst mistake of my life. I'm still working on the means to correct its consequences.

"Doing whatever for the sake of avoiding mild discomfort" is cowardice, laziness, narcissism - I'm personally partial to the last one, but take your pick. In any case, I see it as a way of being which is taught to people; and one which is fundamentally dishonest and irresponsible.

Other than that, I do agree with your overall sentiment and the underlying value system; I'm just not so sure any more that it is in fact correct.

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