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by dotBen5 hours ago |
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upvoteby Waterluvian5 hours ago|
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I don’t understand touchscreens on laptops that aren’t designed to fold flat. It’s got the feel of finger painting an unconstrained birthday balloon.
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upvoteby samplatt1 hours ago|
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You're essentially holding a large tablet upright, but all the weight is taken up up the base. Rather than finger-painting, try holding it on both sides like a tablet or gamepad and operating with thumbs.

Scrolling/controlling checkboxes and switches feels GREAT. Depends entirely what you're using it for.

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upvoteby dwedge3 hours ago|
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I had a laptop that folded to 180, without touch screen, and had a webcam hidden under F7 so it either looked straight up your nose or showed your huge fingers
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upvoteby bitmasher95 hours ago|
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Sometimes, if I’ve been using my iPad for awhile and switch over to my MBP, I might reach out and touch the screen out of habit. I can’t be the only one.
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upvoteby antonymoose4 hours ago|
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I had the opposite problem when work issued me a ThinkPad - I would accidentally brush my screen with my caveman knuckles once a day and somehow nuke a dozen lines of code.
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upvoteby bruckie1 hours ago|
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My kids do this all the time. They also use the touchscreen in conventional laptop configuration (not folded-flat tablet mode) on their Chromebooks all the time. It's bizarre to me. I'm always trying to get them to use the keyboard, but they don't care. Example: enter password on the keyboard, then tap the log in button on the screen with their finger, rather than just pressing enter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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upvoteby dwedge3 hours ago|
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While I'm the same and totally agree with you, the few times I've been using touchscreen I find the habit sticks so hard that for days I keep touching my macbook screen, so there is definitely some subconscious desire for this (or I would have defaulted to using the trackpad even if my brain thought touch was available)
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upvoteby emmelaich51 minutes ago|
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Sometimes I feel the urge to do some art, and the bigger surface might allow that. Perhaps in lieu, make a bigger trackpad.
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upvoteby post-it5 hours ago|
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> I don't get why Apple are apparently going to be putting them into the new MBP line later this year.

Apple has apparently being going to put a touchscreen in a laptop every year since the iPad came out, and it's never materialized.

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upvoteby xmprt5 hours ago|
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Previously, those were rumors from enthusiasts who wanted to see it. Now it's an internal leak so there's a lot more credibility to those rumors.
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upvoteby hu35 hours ago|
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No, there were internal "leaks" in the past as well.

https://archive.ph/xOgtp

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upvoteby xmprt3 hours ago|
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> Based on current internal deliberations, the company could launch its first touch-screen Mac in 2025

It looks like those leaks aren't too far off what I'm saying. Deadlines slipping by 1-2 years isn't way off especially for such a new/different product direction. And the rumor also said "could" which means even internally, it wasn't a strong claim.

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upvoteby jacobgkau4 hours ago|
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> January 11, 2023

> Based on current internal deliberations, the company could launch its first touch-screen Mac in 2025

Even if it didn't come to pass, just a few years ago is a more relevant leak than the every-year-since-the-iPad-released "rumors."

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upvoteby hu33 hours ago|
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Yes and it's an article about a leak 3 years ago. And there were more "leaks" before that. I just can't be bothered to research and link the obvious to argument against an "opinion".
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upvoteby thesuitonym5 hours ago|
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Macs are definitely not optimized for keyboard commands. If you feel the software you use is keyboard optimized, odds are it's not really Mac software.
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upvoteby allthetime1 hours ago|
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Absolute base line example.

Copy text in terminal

Mac: command+c

Linux/windows: ctrl+shift+c (unless you want to cripple proper ctrl+c functionality in which case you can (maybe) activate it from a UI menu)

The command key on Mac is somewhat magical and engages in all sorts of productivity and finger efficiency related context switching so that you can do more with less physical movement.

I’m genuinely curious who you think does it better

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upvoteby jonhohle2 hours ago|
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macOS has been one of the best keyboard OSes for over a decade, maybe longer. Nearly everything is bindable without additional software or third party apps. This can be done on globally or app-specific. A lot of this comes from the deep script ability that used to be a priority but has fallen by the wayside in recent years.
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upvoteby 9dev5 hours ago|
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Huh? Of all the wonky shit about my Mac, the flawless keyboard navigation is really none of that
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upvoteby dwedge3 hours ago|
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I'm surprised you feel that way. I fight with my mac every day for one reason or another. At least it's not as bad as the days where some software used Cmd + letter and some used ctrl +letter, but for instance Cmd tab will switch to the wrong window when I go back and I have to use the mouse. Window switching in general is a lot harder if you only have the keyboard because the laptop is docked without a magic trackpad
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upvoteby codesnik3 hours ago|
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strange. Some keyboard shortcuts in os x are kinda weird and not intuitive to linux or windows users, but they are there. It's totally possible to use mac without trackpad. even cmd+tab switcher has a lot of hidden (but googlable) things: while still holding cmd after initial cmd+tab, you can close apps with q, switch to other apps with tab and (cmd+)shift+tab or left/right arrows, show app windows with down, etc. There's also a cmd+` for switching between one app's windows. I still find that distinction weird from usability perspective, but it's not too hard to adapt to it.
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upvoteby __MatrixMan__2 hours ago|
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Really? I find that on MacOS apps are very inconsistent about whether popping open a menu shows me hints for selecting items in that menu. Those same apps are consistent about it on Linux.

And then there's the bonkers window manager which can't move focus directionally (e.g. Super + left) and so you have to fall back to Cmd + tab tab tab tab but even then there's no consistency about whether you're switching between app instances or windows instances within the same app...

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upvoteby JSR_FDED2 hours ago|
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Cmd+Shift+Tab goes in the opposite direction.
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upvoteby devmor5 hours ago|
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“Flawless” is absolutely the opposite of how I’d describe the third class keyboard navigation in MacOS.

It’s actually more intuitive to use a magic keyboard on the iPad than on the desktop OS.

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upvoteby sitharus4 hours ago|
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What do you find missing from macOS keyboard navigation?

I've been using macs since the 90s so I'm quite used to it, so I'd love to know what I've been missing out on.

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upvoteby devmor2 hours ago|
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I have a lot of complaints but I would say my three big gripes are:

- Window navigation within (rather than between) open programs. Mainly if one is on an external monitor, this is just a nightmare and I end up using expose and clicking the window instead.

- Window positioning (I installed 3rd party software called Rectangle for this last year so it’s kind of solved but if we’re talking about the vanilla experience this is a big one)

- Having to switch focus to the dock and navigate one by one through shortcuts to open them instead of the Super+Dock position shortcuts that Windows and KDE expose

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upvoteby allthetime1 hours ago|
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Window navigation is just ctrl+direction
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upvoteby nandomrumber2 hours ago|
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> Window navigation within open programs

Isn’t table cmd + ~

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upvoteby platevoltage3 hours ago|
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At least we have trackpads that are worth a crap.
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upvoteby devmor2 hours ago|
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I do adore the macOS trackpads, they blow anything else I’ve used out of the water.

The keyboard (physically) is also just very pleasant to type on.

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upvoteby paxys3 hours ago|
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Specific applications sure, but the base OS interface is unusable without a trackpad.
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upvoteby Jeremy10261 hours ago|
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Cmd+Space to open spotlight, type in the first 3 or 4 letters of whatever you're trying to do (an application to open, or a system setting to change) and then Return gets me about where I need to go most of the time. Cmd+Tab and Cmd+` for window selection. I don't do much else on the OS itself so my bases are covered.
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upvoteby 2muchcoffeeman1 hours ago|
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Why? Better than a track pad.

Use a Surface Pro some time. If you are just casually browsing or reading a website. I find it much nicer to just tap on a link or swipe to scroll.

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upvoteby radley5 hours ago|
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It just feels ancient and weird now that I can tap every screen I own, except my Mac. I don't want to replace the Mac's keyboard & mouse with a touchscreen, I would simply like it to support touch.

(This also made me realize the impending obsolescence of the Studio Monitor XDR: no touch support.)

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upvoteby christophilus1 hours ago|
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I have 2-3 old touchscreen laptops lying around. The touchscreen is useless to me. Worse than useless. If I ever use it, it’s accidentally, and I end up annoyed.
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upvoteby eitally5 hours ago|
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I very much would want a touchscreen for my use cases.
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upvoteby commandersaki1 hours ago|
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Yes, I feel like it'll be a degrade in quality if they do this with any of their current line up. If they want to make a Macbook Ultra or whatever with it, that's fine -- I would have no interest in it.
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upvoteby Wowfunhappy3 hours ago|
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I wouldn't want a touch screen to become the primary input device, but I think it would be useful on occasion. Not entirely unlike how we still have touchpads even though we try to use keyboard commands.
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upvoteby paxys3 hours ago|
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It would make sense if the screen folded over. In a laptop form factor a touch screen is just annoying because it keeps pushing the screen back.
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upvoteby harr014 hours ago|
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The benefit of a touchscreen MBP is that Apple will be forced to make their screens more protective.
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upvoteby skwallace363 hours ago|
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as long as it works well, would rather have it than not (but don't want to pay extra, so yeah... leave it out)
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upvoteby platevoltage3 hours ago|
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I agree. I've never wanted a touch screen on my laptop. My screen gets smudged enough already.
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upvoteby lysace3 hours ago|
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The ergonomic aspects are horrible. I believe there's actual research on this from the 70s/80s/90s.
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upvoteby fortran774 hours ago|
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All my Windows laptops have touch screens and I love it. What is the problem with having another input method available? You only use it when it’s appropriate.
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upvoteby 3yr-i-frew-up25 minutes ago|
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