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What this current administration is doing speaks much more of a lack of strategy than what the Khans did in the 13th century.

Not having any sort of counterplay to Iran's one big move (the blocking of the straight), in a nation of some of the brighest minds on the planet, speaks volumes of how advisors are clearly not being listened to. The powers of the once mighty Republic have seemingly been vested in the hands of a bunch of incompetent nepo babies.

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>in a nation of some of the brighest minds on the planet

Found the assumption that caused the issue.

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Its not a false assumption. The world today is full of innovative products built with American capital and mostly American minds. If Americans want to do something then they have an rich pool of talent to do it well.

Sure on average, the population of the US is stupid, but that's true of everywhere.

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> built with American capital and mostly American minds.

I would say "built with American agency and commercial spirit", not minds.

Most of the things that we have were first built elsewhere (Germany being a prime supplier here with the mp3 or the Zuse), but turning them commercial was the input that came from America.

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Just because you sold your soul to an economic superspreader meme that allows your products and inventions to percolate with the rapidity of an influenza-herpes-ebola hybrid doesnt mean that the minds behind it are brighter than the rest of the world.
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I never said that. You're reading what you wanted to hear, not what i wrote. Second time someone has intentionally misread it that wrong way.
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Bright minds in America aren't working for Trump.
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I think this works well with his original point.
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We do have very bright minds. It's a shame they don't get voted into policy.
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they're not on HackerNews
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> a nation of some of the brighest minds on the planet

The brightest minds we had working in government have all quit or been fired in the last year.

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To wit: Hegseth immediately demanded the loyalty or resignation of the entire officer corps upon taking office. Anyone who would’ve been the voice of reason likely resigned a year ago.
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> in a nation of some of the brighest minds on the planet

You mean the people who voted for trump or those who voted for the democrats?

Are there some causal reasons you think americans are smarter than people in other countries?

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> You mean the people who voted for trump or those who voted for the democrats?

I'm not talking about plebs, I'm talking about people who know their shit and work at government level. We could just look at the invention of the past century and pluck out relevant events like the moon landing, electronic computer, transistor or ARPANET. Clearly there are smart people living in that nation. They have the talent to draw from to get good advice about stuff like: what Iran's first response might be to an aerial assault.

> Are there some causal reasons you think americans are smarter than people in other countries?

I never said that. I said America is home to SOME of the brightest minds in the world. That sentence does not apportion all the brightest minds to that nation. What you read is clearly something different from what I wrote. Do you have a chip on your shoulder?

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Your argument was that you could use your bright minds to win against the iranians. That implies they are brighter than the iranians.

I think america clearly had better opportunities for bright people in the past. Maybe some moved also there so the proportion is a little higher than in other places.

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that wasn't my argument. My argument is that the US has enough intelligent people to wargame what would happen in response to their initial strikes on Iran. That they seemingly have no available counter-play to the blocking of the straight of hormuz implies that they have dismissed any experts from the decision making process and are just winging it. Because... why would you start a war when you're weak to your opponent's first obvious countermove?

So yea, you misread that to assume that I was making some quasi-racist statement about Iran. So my question to you, is why do you think you made that intentional misinterpretation?

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Sorry. It's currently late were I live.

I agree that what the US did seems like they didn't ask anyone with expertise and brain to make a plan.

I think I filtered that out since I don't wonder about such things anymore. I live in Germany and what our government did in the last decades was so beyond stupid (like blowing up our nuclear power plants and going out of coal at the same time) that I try to ignore these kinds of things.

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> the US has enough intelligent people

'intelligent', yes, big scary performative navy/gear, very very costly, here take most of the tax dollars. This is whats going on since WW2, where are these intelligent people who couldn't understand this?

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There are dumb democrats and smart republicans.

We don't have all the intelligence but we do have many institutions to promote such talent. As well as formerly having policy which let other bright minds immigrate into the US.

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IQ testing?

Inbreeding as a cultural norm?

Not smarter than the Japanese.

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> he was just going to bomb all their infrastructure

That's usually the idea ever since bombs were a thing. It just so happens that it's harder to actually pull off than to say it.

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and nor does it result in victory without the follow up of a ground assault.

I'm legit baffled by the US engaging in a war that suffers exactly the same negative properties as the Saudi's war in Yemen. You don't even have to learn from history, the Saudi/Yemeni conflict is still active today. Air campaigns alone are entirely insufficient, especially if your enemy has mountains.

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Are we just going to ignore the fact that targeting civilian infrastructure is yet another war crime?
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I’m not saying you’re wrong. But man haves lots of people who don’t know what a war crime is really devalued the accusation. So much so I read yours and I just assume it isn’t.(again idk)
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Not according to FIFA
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That's dual use infrastructure. Its also used for military and goverment purposes, right? The same as China providing weapons components to Russia, masking them as "civilian".
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"The Russians did it as well" is not a fantastic excuse for a war crime… You might want to think this through a bit more.
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What's the problem. The Russians do stuff that you say are "war crimes", and what happens to them? Nothing. So why should anyone care if some person on the internet says these are war crimes? There's obviously no penalty against doing them, so they're not really war crimes.
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>"That's dual use infrastructure. "

Especially desalination plants (your sunshine promised to bomb those as well).

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Why should a president have this much power?
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Shouldn't. But the checks and balances are not checking him.
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We'll make Hegseth regret it deeply when the time comes for his trial, but right now I don't know that there's much to do about that fact.
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Many said the same thing during the G.W Bush years. Nothing happened.
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I and a lot of other centrist-leaning folks are radicalized now in a way we weren't then. Perhaps it still won't happen, I don't have a crystal ball, but right now I will only vote for primary candidates who promise to prosecute Trump's goons and plan to reject the legitimacy of any future government that does not follow through.
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This line of thinking did not end very well for the Roman Republic.
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So America can put other countries' leaders on trial - like the Nazis in Nuremberg, or Saddam Hussein - but not their own, for war crimes.
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Indeed it did not. But Trump and the members of his administration have announced, repeatedly and explicitly, that they hate me and wish me harm. So I can't accept being governed by them or by a system that tolerates them. If they decide they'd like to apologize, and offer some explanation for how I can be sure they won't return to their misdeeds, perhaps we can hear them out.
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> If they decide they'd like to apologize, and offer some explanation for how I can be sure they won't return to their misdeeds, perhaps we can hear them out.

Nothing short of life in prison for the ones that plead guilty will accomplish that.

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> Oh yeah, we can't do this to Russia because they have nukes

Why would the US want to bomb an ally?

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It's not an alliance - the Russians are supplying Iran with intelligence and material.

It's just that Trump is Putin's biggest fan for some reason.

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Ability to recognize sarcasm is missing
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In Ukraine, the USA and Russia are definitely allied. So sarcasm misplaced, I think.
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Cut the BS please. The only ally US has is itself. The rest are either vassals or adversaries.
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True enough, if only recently
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> Trump is choosing to get it over with the easy way for America at least if they won't negotiate

That is… not the easy way. That’s how you get a nightmare for decades to come, endless waves of refugees and a limitless supply of terrorists.

Though, to be fair, there is no easy way of doing what Trump claims he wants to do. Which is why it’s spectacularly stupid to do it in the first place. I mean, they did not expect retaliation in the strait of Hormuz. Amateur hour does not even begin to describe it. Spectacularly stupid is probably way too kind.

If you must learn from the Khans, you’ll find that decapitation is not enough. You need people to put in place of the former leadership, and enforcers so that the underlying power structure stays in place to serve the new masters. The reason why is that, as the US learnt in Iraq and Afghanistan, it takes a bloody lot of soldiers to keep a whole population in check. Trump does not want to do the former and does not have the latter.

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He could use nukes but it would likely create a fallout.
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That was standard practice for much of recorded history. Surrender now or we will kill you all. Alexander the Great did it to Tyre and Sidon. The Romans did it to Jerusalem. The Israelis did it to Gaza. The orange madman and his henchmen have made it very clear that they don't give a shit about the rules of warfare.
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