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Amazon had a clear business model. They had positive gross margin from, if not day 1, then pretty close to it.

I remain skeptical of Uber.

Sure, maybe OpenAI and Anthropic will make it work. It's not impossible. But it's far from guaranteed.

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OpenAI and Anthropic have positive gross margins for inference.

Uber generates about $1b in profit yearly now.

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Two reasons. They somewhat broke even, and kept getting investment. The potential for quasi monopoly was obvious.

Openai can't claim either.

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How did Uber somewhat break even? They lost $34b before making a profit.

Uber was only on a path to monopoly in the US, not world wide. It’s lost to local competitors in most countries. And it can get disrupted by self driving cars soon.

OpenAI’s SOTA LLM training smells like a natural monopoly or duopoly to me. The cost to train the smartest models keep increasing. Most competitors will bow out as they do not have the revenue to keep competing. You can already see this with a few labs looking for a niche instead of competing head on with Anthropic and OpenAI.

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The cost of copying SOTA models though is super cheap and doesn’t take super long.
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How do you distill when OpenAI and Anthropic inevitably move to tasks running in the cloud? IE. Go buy this extremely hard to get concert ticket for me.

Distilling might only be effective in the chat bot dominant era. We are about to move to an agents era.

Furthermore, I’m guessing distilling will get harder and harder. Claude Code leak shows some primitive anti distilling methods already. There’s research showing that models know when it’s being benchmarked. Who’s to say Anthropic and OpenAI aren’t able to detect when their models are being distilled?

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Worse, Google can afford to outspend them in this game and basically run them both out of money.
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>Most tech companies in the last 2-3 decades lost money for years

Yes

>before making a profit.

No

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It's not even remotely comparable. Uber burnt some $30B over a decade or so.
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It seems like it is comparable based on what you just said.
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OpenAI have burned nearly 25 times what Uber did, it has more competitors, billions of dollars in obligations and no clear way to profitability.

The problem for OpenAI is that the cost of getting them where they are now has been to high and competitors can now establish themselves for much less money.

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> Why are we treating OpenAI and Anthropic differently than say, Amazon or Uber?

The dame Uber that lost close to 30 billion dollars over 10 years to subsidize its price dumping?

No, no we are not treating OpenAI differently than Uber

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