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Forget the guns, they don't even have internet access. How can they coordinate without internet? Source: NetBlocks
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> If anything, this war demonstrates the tyranny and tentacles of the modern state. The well seems forever poisoned once power is lost to despots.

Didn’t we just see in Syria that’s not the case. It is supremely hard to nation build a large failing state no matter who’s attempting it. Having the guns to challenge the internal security forces seems like a necessary first step.

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Did you not see how long it took in Syria? Did you miss ISIS? the massive number of groups splintered off? Sure people hated Assad but what it took to get rid of him was horrid. If any thing the Iranians are probably scared that this is what will become of them I know I would be.
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This is perhaps the endgame for Israel: a fractured, warlording Iran that will never become a cohesive threat again.
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They did it in Libya
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Let's be fair, they're being attacked by a foreign superpower, if something "brings the people together" is having a common external enemy.

I assume you don't live in iran and don't converse with iranians who live in iran and have bombs fall on their homes. If you asked yugoslav people in argentina in 1945, they'd be very anti-communist too... the situation in yugoslavia was a lot different (just giving an example from home).

The statistics are well... just statistics, if you collected the stats on trump support in san francisco near colleges, you'd get a drastically different result then on the elections. Same thing is happening in eg. serbia, where "everyone hates vucic", but the second you leave urban areas or ask anyone above 50yo, the situation is much different.

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This. It also fails to understand that the vast majority of the Iranians that are capable of change have actively left over the rule of the regime - that's why there are huge Persian diasporas in LA, Paris, London, NYC, etc. Those who have the money or smarts to leave, do so.

Also, a good majority of Iranian people might despise the regime, but also have long enough memories (or their parents do) of what happened the last time the West tried to intervene in their internal affairs.

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> Remember, they killed 30K of their own to quell an uprising.[2]

There is absolutely no way to know if it's true or not

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There are ample indepentant sources for that estimate. We don't know an exact number but we know it is close to that.
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No, there aren't independent sources for that estimate, and we do not even know if it is close to that.

That number was simply made up and comes from Iran International, a Mossad-funded Pahlavist site.

Additionally, the Iranian government states that 2-3,000 were killed, mostly from Mossad-armed insurrectionists killing Iranian police.

So who are you going to believe? Israel, or Iran?

The vast majority of people trust the Iranian government over the Israeli regime.

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To be charitable, it is prima facie weird that that this seems to be the one thing we do know for sure. Literally every other detail here seems to be trapped in a black box or uncertainty, except for this. First the US blew up all the nuclear last year, then it turns they were days away. They were out of missiles a week ago, and then they werent at all. We were so sure about "the appetite for rebellion" among the people, until we weren't.

I guess you just have to reflect on how nice it is that the one thing we know for sure aligns with an ongoing justification for all the bad stuff that needs to happen! It's funny how it works like that, but we have to take their word for it.

I remember seeing those maps pointing to the WMDs in Iraq on NYT. I remember when it was unspeakable to be critical of the narrative. All you can do, I guess, is hope that they wouldn't do that again, believe that this time its different.

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Obviously its a lie.

But making outrageous claims then replying with " why are you defending Iran " is the gimmick.

Its like a psyop meme mash-up of reddit arguments, ad infinitum

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What Trump said is not what independent experts said.

Iran likely was weeks away from a nuclear bomb - they had all the parts, materials and know-how. They just needed the final steps of enrichment, and hand assembly a bomb. They had been in this position of a long time without taking the final steps, but at any time they only needed a few weeks to the first working bomb if they wanted to take those steps. (if they wanted to do mass production that would take longer)

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They are still amateurs compared to the IDF:

"Israeli military reportedly acknowledges 70,000 killed in Gaza after previously casting doubt on health ministry’s count" - https://edition.cnn.com/2026/01/30/middleeast/israeli-milita...

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Yes, true, but the IDF took 2 years, the IRGC/Basij did their work in a few weeks.

Hamas is a few thousand people and the IDF are still fighting them after 2 years. There are about a million in the IRGC/Basij/Army in Iran.

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Ok? I don’t think anybody is taking about Israel.
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Idk they are pretty major player here..
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"Can you explain how?"

>don't feed trolls

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