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upvoteby operatingthetan4 hours ago|
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> To be specific, search will be consumed by the LLMs, it'll be merely an aspect of what they do for the user, and that'll include handling the more intricate details of the search, refining the search, understanding the results of search, etc. The age of the typical user handling any of that is about to end.

We already have the tech for that, why hasn't it happened? People are revolted by the AI results in Google. AI isn't going to make people use their computers more. It's not opening up a new consumer market. This is just making each search infinitely more expensive.

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upvoteby eisa013 hours ago|
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I find searching chatgpt.com and asking for sources, then visiting them, works much better than Google to find niche topics
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upvoteby Marazan2 hours ago|
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Every year I ask the latest version of Chat GPT a basic facts question about rugby results. It almost always gets it wrong - even when it does web search and cites sources. Wrong scores, hallucinated matches, wrong locations - just gob smacking amounts of wrongness.

The latest "Thinking" version gets it reliably right but spent about 3 minutes coming up with the answer that 10 seconds of googling answers.

So I don't believe we are currently in a situation where LLMs are an effective replacement for search engines.

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upvoteby greenchair34 minutes ago|
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yep google ai results are old too.
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upvoteby satvikpendem4 hours ago|
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Who is revolted? I use the AI Google results every day when asking for specific questions, I rarely visit the webpages before anymore. Also Google already injects ads into conversations in the form of Google Shopping affiliate links.
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upvoteby ProfessorLayton3 hours ago|
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>I rarely visit the webpages before anymore.

And what do you think this'll do for future LLM models that need to train on new content if web page traffic collapses?

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upvoteby satvikpendem3 hours ago|
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I understand the concern but it's frankly not my problem as a user, that is for the authors and corporations to figure out. No one would (or should) blame car buyers for putting horse and buggies out of business, they're merely participating in the market as a consumer not the producer.
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upvoteby MadxX792 hours ago|
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They won't figure it out. It's the tragedy of the commons.
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upvoteby satvikpendem2 hours ago|
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Then that is how it will be, it's a self correcting problem in that if they don't figure it out, their models won't continue improving.
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upvoteby satvikpendem4 hours ago|
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You see it already with how many people use LLMs for everything these days. Google Gemini can also integrate with your other Google apps to personalize further, and Gemini already has product placement ads.
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upvoteby cmiles84 hours ago|
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Google is already dumping LLMs into search and it works well and is free.
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upvoteby sylos4 hours ago|
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It doesn't work well. The searches are wrong and uninformative much of the time.
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upvoteby satvikpendem4 hours ago|
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Any examples of bad ones? I find them perfectly fine for my queries.
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upvoteby vesrah3 hours ago|
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Search for anything mechanically car related and the results are terrible or wrong.
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upvoteby satvikpendem3 hours ago|
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Do you have a concrete example I can reproduce? I searched for things like how to change the filter of X make and model and it seems correct, not sure if that's what you meant.
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upvoteby staticman22 hours ago|
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I'm not the person you replied to but I'm wondering which Google AI product you are referring to that you use for search which is so excellent that you need someone to find for you an example of it failing?

I think Google has several ai products with search features?

Which one in your experience "seems correct"?

I'm fascinated because I've never found any LLM to be particularly error free at search.

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upvoteby satvikpendem2 hours ago|
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Google.com with the AI overview or whatever they call it now. It seems to source web page information for grounding so it's reasonably correct and doesn't hallucinate recently at least.
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upvoteby mrhottakes2 hours ago|
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It works very poorly
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