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I believe interpretation is a part of the definition of a constitution, you do not, we have different definitions, oh well. I also believe the uncodified/codified distinction is not binary, it is obvious that the US constitution is far more codified than the UK constitution, the two are at opposite extremes.
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> I believe interpretation is a part of the definition of a constitution, you do not, we have different definitions, oh well.

You can't just brush it aside as some quibble about definitions. It's a fundamentally substantive difference in the two structures: one of these has an indisputable source of truth (a foundation everyone can witness) that everything else is built on top of -- however shakily! -- and the other does not. Regardless of whether you include the upper parts of this metaphorical building in your definitions or not, the foundations are not the same.

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> It's a fundamentally substantive difference in the two structures

Yes, it is a substantive difference but it does not follow that this difference provides the 'constitution' property.

> one of these has an indisputable source of truth... the foundations are not the same

They are so similar as to be almost the same and if an 'indisputable source of truth' exists anywhere, it is not in the written documents or their structure but unwritten norms and rituals sit beneath both.

What stops a President from simply choosing to ignore a Supreme Court ruling and what prevents the King from returning to personal rule?

The lack of arbitrary rule is a defining feature of both and relies on something that emerged rather than something imposed from without by written words.

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> What stops a President from simply choosing to ignore a Supreme Court ruling and what prevents the King from returning to personal rule?

Legally? The fact that everybody under the president -- including those in the military -- understand they are swearing their oath to the constitution -- not the King, not the Crown, not God, not the Supreme Court, not anything else. And that the Supreme Court says what the constitution means. And that if there is a clear and direct contradiction between the Supreme Court and the president, the former trumps (no pun intended) the latter.

Physically? "Nothing", yeah. Same goes for non-presidents. If you can get enough people to follow you (or maybe at least enough of the people with guns) everything else becomes irrelevant, including whether your title was president or King or God or Constitution or whatever.

> The lack of arbitrary rule is a defining feature of both

It is emphatically not. There are lots of countries with constitutions that nevertheless have arbitrary rule. As there are countries without constitutions or arbitrary rule.

> They are so similar as to be almost the same and if an 'indisputable source of truth' exists anywhere, it is not in the written documents or their structure but unwritten norms and rituals sit beneath both.

No, that's exactly what those are not. Unwritten stories, traditions, and rituals are very much disputable. That's kind of the entire point of writing things down, and the point of the game we call Telephone. The indisputable bits are physical artifacts everyone can see with their own eyes.

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Yes, the foundations of the constitutions are not the same, one of them has a mostly codified constitution, the other has a mostly uncodified (uncodified but mostly written down, that is not a contradiction!) constitution. They both have constitutions however, so the phase "Britain has no constitution" is wrong. To be clear, I am not saying that is good or bad that Britain has an uncodified constitution, just that from my definition (and most political and legal definitions) of what a constitution is the phrase "Britain has no constitution" is wrong. Britain of course has laws, and laws about how new laws are made, etcetera. This forms a constitution.
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> Is there a single human (or even computer program) that could even definitively list all the sentences in this "constitution"

No, it's a living thing. Why is this your sticking point on the existence of a constitution or not?

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>> Is there a single human (or even computer program) that could even definitively list all the sentences in this "constitution"

> No, it's a living thing. Why is this your sticking point on the existence of a constitution or not?

Do you never write down or sign contracts? Are verbal promises adequate for you in all transactions?

If you don't see the value of laws being written down - especially the most important ones! - I can't really convince you of it here on HN.

But what I can tell is that most people who care about the legitimacy of government believe it is fundamental to fairness that there be a single source of truth that can tell them the laws under which they would be rewarded or punished, before those happen.

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I think you have diverged too much...well from reality, in order to try to prove a point. Do you think most people, or lawyers, or judges in the UK spend their time trying to enumerate all the laws of the land before they proceed in their court cases? Do you think that people think that the UK system of government is illegitimate? What point are you trying to make? Because it is not grounded in reality. You can debate the merits of a codified constitution versus an uncodified one, but the UK does have a constitution, the vast majority of which is codified into many documents. The following two links might help you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncodified_constitution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_(political_norm)#Un...

Note the second one applies to the US - a country with a mostly but not completely codified constitution.

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> If you don't see the value of laws being written down

I don't think this is helping much in the US right now. The orangefuhrer has shown he is willing to ignore clauses that are inconvenient.

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Nobody claimed it's helping or hurting. The debate is over what constitutes a constitution, whether good or bad. There have been great governments without a constitution and terrible governments with one. "You don't have a constitution" does not mean "your government sucks", but it seems somehow people take it as such.
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> If you don't see the value of laws being written down - especially the most important ones! - I can't really convince you of it here on HN.

It's a shame you can't really explain it. It's ineffable, isn't it.

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"I like scrambled eggs."

"I do too, but the way Trump is behaving, pretty soon it will be illegal to ..."

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Pretty soon you won't be able to afford eggs.
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That's an excuse for the list being not bang up to date. It is no excuse for the list being non-existent.
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