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by cocodill16 hours ago |
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upvoteby bagels15 hours ago|
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I guess this is a new word basically meaning conscription by force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busification

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upvoteby ben_w15 hours ago|
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> conscription by force

Is there any unforced conscription? By definition conscription is compulsory.

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upvoteby nick48614 hours ago|
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its a question of degree. going to the barracks when you get called up by mail vs getting grabbed off the street, punched in the face and shoved into a bus headed for the training center.
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upvoteby ryandrake13 hours ago|
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But if you don't do #1, then #2 will happen involuntarily, right? So conscription ultimately = physically forced.
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upvoteby jltsiren12 hours ago|
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They will probably go to prison instead, like some of my friends did. Giving military training to people who definitely don't want it can be a bad idea for many reasons.
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upvoteby samus10 hours ago|
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Unmotivated draftees are mostly used as a workforce. Especially in modern warfare, soldiers without significant training are worse than useless, as the wrong action at the wrong time can compromise the stealth and mission of their unit.
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upvoteby phyzome5 hours ago|
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Make someone a slave and give them a loaded gun, what could go wrong?
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upvoteby lifestyleguru15 hours ago|
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If you ever wonder what is the role of professional army in case of any serious invasion or war. Their role is to hunt for conscripts, kidnap them, and transport them to the army recruitment centers.
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upvoteby Ms-J13 hours ago|
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It is very true. Look at the Ukraine war for a current example.
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upvoteby breppp14 hours ago|
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I don't know where you are getting this, but this is very much not the role of professional armies in most invasions historically

Usually when your country is invaded you don't stay in your silicon valley privileged mindset and you go to conscription willingly

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upvoteby rvnx13 hours ago|
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busification - the definition of consent is very stretched.
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upvoteby breppp12 hours ago|
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Thats not how most of the manpower gets there, without even knowing the Ukraine example, I venture to guess based on the superior morale of Ukrainian forces, that most are drafted willingly.

This still does not prove the very general statement GP made, which doesn't align with draft reality in historical wars

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upvoteby Operating476259 minutes ago|
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Many of those who were drafted willingly, already died, it’s the 5th year of war
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upvoteby carlosjobim13 hours ago|
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Millions of people enjoy great lives today because at least one of their ancestors were smart enough to not go to the meat grinder. While millions of young men became genetic dead ends dead in a ditch for no reason at all. Even their names forgotten forever.
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upvoteby breppp12 hours ago|
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Millions of people were not burned to death due to not living under Nazi rule you mean.

Most of our ancestors did join a draft, as it was universal, be it the Napoleon wars, WW1 or WW2. This interpretation of history is highly creative I will give you that

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upvoteby carlosjobim12 hours ago|
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Name 10 common soldiers who liberated a concentration camp , from the top of your head. If you care so much about that as you give the impression of doing.
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upvoteby breppp12 hours ago|
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Sorry I am failing to see your point.

Are you implying that the fact there are no common soldiers famous for liberating concentration camps, means that saving further millions that would be killed by the eventual Nazi occupation of Europe, is in vain?

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upvoteby lifestyleguru14 hours ago|
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Silicon valley privileged mindset in Europe, what are you talking about?! You mean Piotr, Ivan, and Andrei working remotely for American company for equivalent of 60k USD annually?

Most armies in Europe, especially in post-Communist part of it, are nepotist corrupted structures. People go there for tax and housing benefits and early retirement. They are not even particularly fit, skilled, or trained to fight with an invader. Especially in these countries men aged 18-45 have absolutely nothing to fight for.

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